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Old 05-22-2006, 10:29 AM
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Checking for On Plane Clubshaft
When the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground, the Clubshaft should also be parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane.

What is the answer to the apparent discrepancy that the Wristcock occurs on the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge? Is Bending the Left Wrist the only way possible?

We can't have it both ways can we?
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Old 05-22-2006, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
When the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground, the Clubshaft should also be parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane.

What is the answer to the apparent discrepancy that the Wristcock occurs on the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge? Is Bending the Left Wrist the only way possible?

We can't have it both ways can we?
Per 10-2-B, make sure your left thumb is 'aft' and you have some 'gap' between your left thumb and index finger.

Without the gap, you can't do it, you would need to bend the left wrist.
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Old 05-22-2006, 01:53 PM
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Per 10-2-B, make sure your left thumb is 'aft' and you have some 'gap' between your left thumb and index finger.

Without the gap, you can't do it, you would need to bend the left wrist.

Edz, your response is very much appreciated. Are you saying that you can cock the left wrist on the plane of the left arm flying wedge and inclined plane at the same time?
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Edz, your response is very much appreciated. Are you saying that you can cock the left wrist on the plane of the left arm flying wedge and inclined plane at the same time?
The 'gap' in the thumb is effectively the difference between the left arm flying wedge and 'the plane'.

The left thumb is 'on plane' for the most part (PP#1). While the left arm/flying wedge is basically 'a bit above' plane'.

Think of 'hugging the plane' - it stays between your arms.
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Originally Posted by EdZ
The 'gap' in the thumb is effectively the difference between the left arm flying wedge and 'the plane'.

The left thumb is 'on plane' for the most part (PP#1). While the left arm/flying wedge is basically 'a bit above' plane'.

Think of 'hugging the plane' - it stays between your arms.

But Ed, the left arm wedge forms a flat plane that runs the length of the left arm and clubshaft. How can you cock on the plane of the left arm flying wedge and the inclined plane at the same time?

Which plane was HK referring to (inclined or left arm wedge) when he wrote that for the swinger, the #3 pressure point is directly opposed to the On Plane loading Action of the Secondary Lever Assembly?

No trick question here. I went out to try Mathews procedures he posted in the "Spheres" thread and found that cocking the left wrist on the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge was a superior procedure to cocking the left wrist on the inclined plane. He confirmed and agreed. So did HK mean the left arm plane or inclined plane?
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The left arm wedge is 'against' the plane, the left wrist cock is 'on' the plane.

Anatomically flat allows this. Visually flat does not, which is why it is technially an 'arched' position. Of course grip type comes into play.
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Originally Posted by Daryl
When the Clubshaft is parallel to the ground, the Clubshaft should also be parallel to the base line of the Inclined Plane.

What is the answer to the apparent discrepancy that the Wristcock occurs on the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge? Is Bending the Left Wrist the only way possible?

We can't have it both ways can we?
O.k.,This was the original post.Try this. Take a book or a folded piece of paper, place the bottom edge on a straight line, spine (or fold)to the right,tilt the top edge back towards you so that the base stays on the straight line but the top leans back ,say 3 inches, open the cover away from you 2 inches.The cover is your left shoulder at "the top".The the rest of the book is the inclined plane(left shoulder is above plane .What do we have? There is a common denominator -BOTH THE LEFT SHOULDER PLANE AND THE INCLINED PLANE MEET AT THE SPINE OF THE BOOK OR THE FOLD IN THE PAPER-WHERE THE HANDS ARE ATTACHED TO THE CLUB!
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Old 05-27-2006, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by neil
O.k.,This was the original post.Try this. Take a book or a folded piece of paper, place the bottom edge on a straight line, spine (or fold)to the right,tilt the top edge back towards you so that the base stays on the straight line but the top leans back ,say 3 inches, open the cover away from you 2 inches.The cover is your left shoulder at "the top".The the rest of the book is the inclined plane(left shoulder is above plane .What do we have? There is a common denominator -BOTH THE LEFT SHOULDER PLANE AND THE INCLINED PLANE MEET AT THE SPINE OF THE BOOK OR THE FOLD IN THE PAPER-WHERE THE HANDS ARE ATTACHED TO THE CLUB!
Hello Neil,

I'm not able to stay away any longer. Weak.

I agree with your post above.

The 7th Edition clears this up a bit.

4-D-1. The Flat Left Wrist This section is included to stress the importance of the Flat Left Wrist during Impact. (Study 2-P and 10-18-B.) This is a highly dependable visual check for compliance with the Law of the Flail (2-K). But remember there is normally a point where Backstroke Shoulder and Wrist Motions make it difficult or even impossible to keep the Flat Left Wrist vertical to its Plane or the Right Forearm on its Plane without producing a non-golfing and Off Plane Clubshaft position or motion which is intolerable per 2-F and 3-F-6 for thinking players (1-G). (Carefully study 3-F-7.)

This was a major point of mine. The flat left wrist produces an off plane clubshaft position intolerable to 2-F. However, and this is huge; my impact is better when I keep my left wrist perfectly flat (per 6-B-3-0-1) and allow the club to "go off plane" (2-F).
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