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Old 06-12-2006, 01:24 PM
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Thanks Mike O...What a freekin post that was!!!

Leo...you're right...but there is a huge difference between knowing someone/something and understanding someone/something....

"I understand few things...

know a little more than I understand...

discovering only later that what I did know...I did not understand!" - 12th Son of the Llama...

But thanks for the confidence boost!!!
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Old 06-13-2006, 01:01 AM
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Mike O-so-damn-crazy. This is off topic . . . but how do the Hands dictate to the FEETS? And can the Hands produce Pivot Lag or is Pivot Lag isolated to the Pivot?

I'm sending you some frightening pictures too
Bagger- Please note the lowest form of life on a forum- the dreaded "THREAD JACKER" AKA 12 Piece Bucket- AKA Grease Pit-

Annikan, Can nothing be done about this!!! , word has it that you have access to 12 Piece- what if we sent you a little CASH!

Seriously my forum friend Mr. 12 Piece- AKA 1/2 of a golfing Machine- hey- everyone's gotta start somewhere! Post a new thread and I guess we could bat it around a little.
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Originally Posted by Mike O
Bagger- Please note the lowest form of life on a forum- the dreaded "THREAD JACKER" AKA 12 Piece Bucket- AKA Grease Pit-

Annikan, Can nothing be done about this!!! , word has it that you have access to 12 Piece- what if we sent you a little CASH!

Seriously my forum friend Mr. 12 Piece- AKA 1/2 of a golfing Machine- hey- everyone's gotta start somewhere! Post a new thread and I guess we could bat it around a little.
OK trouble-maker . . . I'm startin' a new thread.
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Mike O.....Need a straight jacket and some tranquilizers...to even come close to catchin the 12 piece bandito....
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I know...Master Yoda has been outta town...but perhaps his little friend "Lukey"....has some ideers on this thread...
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:38 AM
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Joe Dante wrote "The correct swing, retaining the wrist break is like a small wheel. It's easy to get started and the energy put into it produces a fast
rotation. The poor swing, hitting too soon and opening the arm-shaft angle, is like a big wheel, hard to get started and never reaching much rotational speed."

He is, of course, talking about Conservation of Angular Momentum (COAM) the effect we see when an ice skater spins faster by pulling her arms in towards her, and slows when she extends her arms.

In TGM terms:
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With the Endless Belt Effect, The Belt (Hands) and the Clubhead have the same RPM but the Surface factor sets in and gives the Clubhead greater MPH - in reverse proportion to the size of the Pulley (the smaller, the faster). That is, raised Hand Position - reducing Accumulator #3 Travel - plus Trigger Delay. Conversely - a larger Pulley (lowered Hands) requires a higher Handspeed and an early Trigger. See (6-B-3-A), (6-F-0) and (6-N-0).

The backswing is about coiling the the upper body against the hips. When tightly coiled, the hands are higher ("raised Hand Position" -- small pulley), but an early hit from the Top or End causes the hands to drop ("lowered Hands -- large pulley").

"The Four Magic Moves To Winning Golf" by Joe Dante was my bible prior to studying TGM. It was first published in 1962 (like Homer, a man before his time?) and is now available as ISBN 0-385-47776-7.

The above quote was from page 116.

Yoda, is it possible that Homer Kelley is refering to the same meaning that Dante describes?
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Weightshift

Yoda, is it possible that Homer Kelley is referring to the same meaning that Dante describes?
They are the same in that they both describe the late Release as a small pulley wheel and the early Release as a large pulley wheel. But there the similarity ends.

Dante's analogy has to do with the inertia of the wheel and its physical rotation. Kelley's analogy, on the other hand, has nothing to do with either. Instead, the wheel is a proxy for the Release Interval -- the size of the Release Arc through which the Hands pass -- prior to Impact. The smaller the Arc -- the less Clubhead Travel Time permitted during Release -- the greater the Clubhead Speed. For example, halving the Travel Time (Snap Release / small pulley wheel) doubles the Travel Rate (Clubhead Speed). Conversely, doubling the Travel Time (Sweep Release / large pulley wheel) halves the Travel Rate. All this is necessary to comply with the Law of the Flail and the Rhythm (RPM) of the Stroke as the Clubshaft seeks its in-line condition with the Left Arm.

In other words, Kelley's model has to do with the increase (or decrease) in Clubhead Speed with the Handspeed held constant. And that Clubhead Speed is inversely proportional to the diameter of the pulley wheel, i.e., the smaller the pulley wheel (at the end of the Delivery Path of the Hands), the greater the increase in Clubhead Speed during the Hands' encounter with it.
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Old 06-27-2006, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
They are the same in that they both describe the late Release as a small pulley wheel and the early Release as a large pulley wheel. But there the similarity ends.

Dante's analogy has to do with the inertia of the wheel and its physical rotation. Kelley's analogy, on the other hand, has nothing to do with either. Instead, the wheel is a proxy for the Release Interval -- the size of the Release Arc through which the Hands pass -- prior to Impact. The smaller the Arc -- the less Clubhead Travel Time permitted during Release -- the greater the Clubhead Speed. For example, halving the Travel Time (Snap Release / small pulley wheel) doubles the Travel Rate (Clubhead Speed). Conversely, doubling the Travel Time (Sweep Release / large pulley wheel) halves the Travel Rate. All this is necessary to comply with the Law of the Flail and the Rhythm (RPM) of the Stroke as the Clubshaft seeks its in-line condition with the Left Arm.

In other words, Kelley's model has to do with the increase (or decrease) in Clubhead Speed with the Handspeed held constant. And that Clubhead Speed is inversely proportional to the diameter of the pulley wheel, i.e., the smaller the pulley wheel (at the end of the Delivery Path of the Hands), the greater the increase in Clubhead Speed during the Hands' encounter with it.

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Originally Posted by Yoda
They are the same in that they both describe the late Release as a small pulley wheel and the early Release as a large pulley wheel. But there the similarity ends.

Dante's analogy has to do with the inertia of the wheel and its physical rotation. Kelley's analogy, on the other hand, has nothing to do with either. Instead, the wheel is a proxy for the Release Interval -- the size of the Release Arc through which the Hands pass -- prior to Impact. The smaller the Arc -- the less Clubhead Travel Time permitted during Release -- the greater the Clubhead Speed.
Thanks Yoda, for that explanation.

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For example, halving the Travel Time (Snap Release / small pulley wheel) doubles the Travel Rate (Clubhead Speed).
I can understand that there is an increase, but double?

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Conversely, doubling the Travel Time (Sweep Release / large pulley wheel) halves the Travel Rate.
Originally Posted by Yoda
All this is necessary to comply with the Law of the Flail and the Rhythm (RPM) of the Stroke as the Clubshaft seeks its in-line condition with the Left Arm.

In other words, Kelley's model has to do with the increase (or decrease) in Clubhead Speed with the Handspeed held constant. And that Clubhead Speed is inversely proportional to the diameter of the pulley wheel, i.e., the smaller the pulley wheel (at the end of the Delivery Path of the Hands), the greater the increase in Clubhead Speed during the Hands' encounter with it.
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Originally Posted by Weightshift

Thanks Yoda, for that explanation.

I can understand that there is an increase, but double?
That's the math, Weightshift. If you've got a hundred-mile trip, you can drive 50 miles per hour for two hours or 100 miles per hour for one hour. But if you decide on the latter, better watch for cops! The same is true when you push your Golf Stroke to its limits. Overacceleration is indeed "the menace that stalks all lag and drag."
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