I enjoyed the G.S.E.D. analysis(Mr. Hart) of the Peter Croker system.
I think it would be interesting and educational to have the same type of G.S.E.D. analysis of say... Natural Golf, Gravity Golf, Jimmy Ballard Golf, and maybe a standard Leadbetter Golf swing.
I enjoyed the G.S.E.D. analysis(Mr. Hart) of the Peter Croker system.
I think it would be interesting and educational to have the same type of G.S.E.D. analysis of say... Natural Golf, Gravity Golf, Jimmy Ballard Golf, and maybe a standard Leadbetter Golf swing.
GRIP TYPE-- Weak Single Action- says his grip preference is modeled after Ben Hogan's grip
STROKE BASIC-- Most likely PITCH, but with the RIGHT SIDED EMPHASIS, could also use PUNCH.
STROKE VARIATION-- 1-2-3 or Four Barrel. Jimmy does emphasize the #4 Connection, but it is loaded at address, and does not appear to unload, so it may not be a very effective #4 Accumulator.
PLANE LINE-- SQUARE-SQUARE
PLANE ANGLE-- Not certain about this one, but probably the TURNING SHOULDER PLANE(1st Description)
Jimmy wants the elbows to stay pointing down throughout the swing.
ADDRESS-- Standard
HINGE ACTION-- Dual Horizontal, or Angled
PRESSURE POINT COMBINATION-- Probably 1-3, but some of Jimmy's people are probably Swinging, so maybe a 2-3 for them.
PIVOT--Standard
SHOULDER TURN-- Rotated
HIP TURN-- A Variation of Slide Hip Turn... especially on the Backstroke
HIP ACTION-- Standard
KNEE ACTION-- Right Anchor
FOOT ACTION-- Flat Left
LEFT WRIST ACTION-- Single Wrist Takeaway, but Jimmy likes a Double Action Left Wrist at the Top
LAG LOADING-- Drive... in most cases. Some, however, could be "firing the right side," and this is actually activating the #4 Accumulator, so these people may be Swinging.
THROW-- Right Arm or Right Shoulder He says to "fire the right side."
POWER PACKAGE ASSEMBLY-- Probably A, B, or C Top, Side or End(Mr. Yoda, what do you think here?)
POWER PACKAGE LOADING-- Random, but could be Full Sweep
POWER PACKAGE DELIVERY-- Straight Line
POWER PACKAGE RELEASE-- Any of the Sweep Releases Jimmy does not like people to "DRAG the handle."
There may be actually some "X" Classifications with Mr. Ballard. One of the interesting things with his technique, is that it could probably actually be Hitting or Swinging, depending on how each player "fires his right side."
GRIP TYPE-- Weak Single Action- says his grip preference is modeled after Ben Hogan's grip
STROKE BASIC-- Most likely PITCH, but with the RIGHT SIDED EMPHASIS, could also use PUNCH.
STROKE VARIATION-- 1-2-3 or Four Barrel. Jimmy does emphasize the #4 Connection, but it is loaded at address, and does not appear to unload, so it may not be a very effective #4 Accumulator.
PLANE LINE-- SQUARE-SQUARE
PLANE ANGLE-- Not certain about this one, but probably the TURNING SHOULDER PLANE(1st Description)
Jimmy wants the elbows to stay pointing down throughout the swing.
ADDRESS-- Standard
HINGE ACTION-- Dual Horizontal, or Angled
PRESSURE POINT COMBINATION-- Probably 1-3, but some of Jimmy's people are probably Swinging, so maybe a 2-3 for them.
PIVOT--Standard
SHOULDER TURN-- Rotated
HIP TURN-- A Variation of Slide Hip Turn... especially on the Backstroke
HIP ACTION-- Standard
KNEE ACTION-- Right Anchor
FOOT ACTION-- Flat Left
LEFT WRIST ACTION-- Single Wrist Takeaway, but Jimmy likes a Double Action Left Wrist at the Top
LAG LOADING-- Drive... in most cases. Some, however, could be "firing the right side," and this is actually activating the #4 Accumulator, so these people may be Swinging.
THROW-- Right Arm or Right Shoulder He says to "fire the right side."
POWER PACKAGE ASSEMBLY-- Probably A, B, or C Top, Side or End(Mr. Yoda, what do you think here?)
POWER PACKAGE LOADING-- Random, but could be Full Sweep
POWER PACKAGE DELIVERY-- Straight Line
POWER PACKAGE RELEASE-- Any of the Sweep Releases Jimmy does not like people to "DRAG the handle."
There may be actually some "X" Classifications with Mr. Ballard. One of the interesting things with his technique, is that it could probably actually be Hitting or Swinging, depending on how each player "fires his right side."
For trigger type, I believe Ballard is using Homer's combination of "Shoulder Turn Throw" and "Wrist Throw"....not a right arm throw....Ballard appears to be firing the right hip and shoulder not the right arm (arms are passive)...it's a swing with transfer of momentum with the above trigger combination...
Hip Action - I believe it's standard.
Plane Angle Variation - Double Shift.
Deliver Path - Top Arc and Angled Line.
Lag Loading - combination of drag and downstroke loading.
Leadbetter Stroke pattern - Based on drawn sequence and my understanding of what he teaches based on his book 'the golf swing'...
1 Grip-Basic - Overlap
2 Grip type - hmmm its kinda closish to a 10-2-B but not quite
3 Stroke-Basic - Pitch
4 Stroke-Variation - Triple Barrel
5 Plane Line - Square Square
6 Plane Angle-Basic - X classification - nearest turned shoulder plane....
7 Plane Angle-Variation - X classification - nearest variation double shift...
8 Fix - does he know about fix?
9 Address - Standard
10 Hinge Action - Angled
11 PP combo - should be triple 2/3/4
12 Pivot - Standard
13 Shoulder Turn - Rotated
14 Hip Turn - Standard
15 Hip Action - Standard
16 Knee Action - Right Anchor
17 Foot Action - Flat Left
18 Left Wrist Action - Standard
19 Lag Loading - Drag
20 Trigger Type - Wrist throw
21 Power Package Assembly Point - End
22 Power Package Loading Action - Full Sweep
23 Power Package Delivery Path - Angled Line
24 Power Package Release - Random Sweep
Do you think the term "plane shift" is apt when what most /all people do ( including Leadbetter - hence your X classification) is a "plane drift"?
Plane angle can readily be defined at 4 points in all swings.
1. Address
2. Left arm horizontal to ground
3. Top/end of backstroke
4. Impact
plus maybe Follow through/ both arms straight.
Most golfers ( I would argue all golfers) drift planes between these positions. During drift the butt/end of club rarely points at target line unless the drift happens rapidly around clubshaft horizontal ( and therefore ideally parallel to plane line).
Leadbetter people basically are double shifters - categorised by their address / impact location and top/end of backstroke positions. They may drift a bit more than others off TGM plane at left arm horizontal but 90 % of people drift not shift!
Do you think the term "plane shift" is apt when what most /all people do ( including Leadbetter - hence your X classification) is a "plane drift"?
Plane angle can readily be defined at 4 points in all swings.
1. Address
2. Left arm horizontal to ground
3. Top/end of backstroke
4. Impact
plus maybe Follow through/ both arms straight.
Most golfers ( I would argue all golfers) drift planes between these positions. During drift the butt/end of club rarely points at target line unless the drift happens rapidly around clubshaft horizontal ( and therefore ideally parallel to plane line).
Leadbetter people basically are double shifters - categorised by their address / impact location and top/end of backstroke positions. They may drift a bit more than others off TGM plane at left arm horizontal but 90 % of people drift not shift!
The plane angle may shift but the plane line never changes. The plane angle shifts by rotating around the impact point plane line like a pivot point.
Because the club is always on this plane, one end points at the line or is parallel to it, it is the whole entire club maintaining a straight line relationship to the plane line. Even when the plane shifts because the plane rotates around the impact point plane line, you are still either pointing to the plane line or are parallel. Going from one plane angle to another does not mean you go offplane as you travel between them.
Now, maybe I don't appreciate the genious of Leadbetter, but to me his procedure as described and depicted is basically offplane on both the backstroke and downstroke. There can be no downplane force directly towards the plane line, on a plane, any plane, when he believes what he does esp in the downstroke with his parallel lines (club pointing outwards beyond the plane line). He basically tries to get golfers to get the clubhead traveling in a big warped circle....although the good golfers he teaches don't do this....
That is why I listed as X classification with the nearest geometrically correct variation being double shift....
How many "TGM shifters" truly have their tip/butt ends really pointing at a single plane line during the shift?
Unless it happens near instantaneously around club horizontal to the ground/parallel to plane line then a shift is almost always off plane until it re-establishes a pointing-at-the-plane-line position.
That is what I mean by drift - a gradual off plane movement which is needed to re-establish on plane shaft/sweetspot plane after a shift.
, but to me his procedure as described and depicted is basically offplane on both the backstroke and downstroke. There can be no downplane force directly towards the plane line, on a plane, any plane, when he believes what he does esp in the downstroke with his parallel lines (club pointing outwards beyond the plane line). He basically tries to get golfers to get the clubhead traveling in a big warped circle....although the good golfers he teaches don't do this....
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