I understand that if you have a problem with your swing you might need to change the clubface first.Now I have played and watched alot of golf and I have noticed a greater percentage of golfers with a severely shut clubface at the top then open.I would even say 85-90% and usually they slice the ball.
Nick Faldo says you can play pretty good golf with a open or square clubface but it becomes harder when the clubface is closed.
What does TGM think about this and how do you correct it? I think closed club you better not horizontal hinge but use angled.
I think you can play better golf with a closed face rather than an open face. From a shut face at the top, you just have to make sure to "hold off" the face coming through impact and usually that'll result in a nice fade. Think Duval, Trevino, Azinger.
This is a very complicated discussion because there seems to be so many exceptions. We have to take into account all the different Grip Types, Wrist Actions and Hinge Actions.
The Clubface is always Open relative to the Plane Line at the Top. The question is how open. The "normal" amount accepted by most pros is when the leading edge approximately matches the plane angle. When this happens we say the Clubface is "square" at the Top. If the leading edge is vertical at the top, then it's considered to be "open", and if it's horizontal then it's "closed".
Remember that none of the Hinge Actions can Hood (decrease loft) the Clubface through Impact, because the Left Wrist is always "Flat". Only if the Left Wrist is Arching through Impact can we Hood the Clubface. But this violates the number one rule of Hinge Action which is constant RPM (Rhythm).
Let's look at real world evidence. Most pros have the leading edge either "square" or slightly "open" at the Top, because most have a neutral grip with a Flat or slightly Bent Left Wrist at the Top. Amateurs have it all over the place.
Also, any Bending/Arching of the Left Wrist is considered to be a Horizontal Motion (4-A) and not Rotational (Turning/Rolling 4-C). However, when the club is at the Top, Arching the Left Wrist will "close" the Clubface, and vice versa if you Bend the Left Wrist. But if you go to Impact Fix, Arching the Left Wrist should have no effect on the opening/closing the Clubface. Whether this "closed" clubface position at the top translates to a closed clubface at Impact depends on lots of things.
Let's look at real world evidence. Most pros have the leading edge either "square" or slightly "open" at the Top, because most have a neutral grip with a Flat or slightly Bent Left Wrist at the Top. Amateurs have it all over the place.
I agree with you that amateurs have it all over the place.Does the flat left wrist fix this fault or is that too simplistic?
I'm not a teacher but I see this all the time with higher handicap players and how would you go about fixing it?
Let's look at real world evidence. Most pros have the leading edge either "square" or slightly "open" at the Top, because most have a neutral grip with a Flat or slightly Bent Left Wrist at the Top. Amateurs have it all over the place.
I agree with you that amateurs have it all over the place.Does the flat left wrist fix this fault or is that too simplistic?
I'm not a teacher but I see this all the time with higher handicap players and how would you go about fixing it?
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The TOP position is important... due to the effect of the 3rd law(action-reaction). However, golfers do seem to be able to play well from many TOP positions of the clubface. This shows that the TOP position can be important, but not as important as "HOW YOU BRING IT DOWN."
Lee Trevion describes himself as "a blocker," because of his STRONG GRIP and Top clubface position. I think he has done pretty well "blocking."
The Strong Single Action Grip, which is more of a "neutral grip"(in common golf lingo) usually gives more of an appearance at the TOP of the Square Clubface, and fairly FLAT Left Wrist(not arched). This allows for Horizontal Hinging, or what many would call a FULL RELEASE.
So... GRIP, WRIST ACTION, and HINGE ACTION, all working properly together, is what many people need.
I agree with you that amateurs have it all over the place.Does the flat left wrist fix this fault or is that too simplistic?
I'm not a teacher but I see this all the time with higher handicap players and how would you go about fixing it?
Typical profile of a good hacker:
Strong left hand grip, bent left wrist at the top, outside in clubhead path.
Fix:
First fix everything that looks very obviously wrong, e.g. stance is aimed 40 yards open, spine angle vertical at address, head opposite left foot at address, etc. Then flatten left wrist at the top. This should result in hooks and pull hooks, especially if the student knows how to finish swivel properly. Then neutralise grip. Then fix the clubshaft at the top and startdown.
Typical profile of a good hacker:
Strong left hand grip, bent left wrist at the top, outside in clubhead path.
Fix:
First fix everything that looks very obviously wrong, e.g. stance is aimed 40 yards open, spine angle vertical at address, head opposite left foot at address, etc. Then flatten left wrist at the top. This should result in hooks and pull hooks, especially if the student knows how to finish swivel properly. Then neutralise grip. Then fix the clubshaft at the top and startdown.
hmmm...where did ya get that stuff from, tong?
was it your own research???......let me see your evidence that this works.....)
I like to ask a simple question. At impact isn't the clubface suppose to be shut or hooded? No one really mentions this, and I wonder this is the "hookface" HK is describing that is built in the irons?
I understand that if you have a problem with your swing you might need to change the clubface first.Now I have played and watched alot of golf and I have noticed a greater percentage of golfers with a severely shut clubface at the top then open.I would even say 85-90% and usually they slice the ball.
Nick Faldo says you can play pretty good golf with a open or square clubface but it becomes harder when the clubface is closed.
What does TGM think about this and how do you correct it? I think closed club you better not horizontal hinge but use angled.
I tried a closed at the Top Clubface years ago and couldn't hit the ball. Normally I need to have the Clubshaft leading perfectly and on the Sweetspot Plane to develop good lag and impact. My clubface would look a little open at the top.
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