The Endless Belt for the Swinger vs. the Hitter

[12 piece bucket]

Is the Endless Belt different for the Swinger and Hitter?

I was thinking that maybe the Swinger Drags the hands down the straight line portion of the belt via the shoulder turn. But the Hitter uses the Right Ticept to Drive the hands down the belt.

Also . . . Does anybody have a way they could superimpose an Endless Belt aparatus on a picture of a golfer to show how it would be set up?

With concept of the Endless Belt basically the hands would be continued to be driven down the straight line portion and Downplane regardless of the pulley portion. The effort on intention would be to continue to drive at the same speed down the belt even through the pulley portion . . . no?

[6bmike]

I have always felt the endless belt effect was far greater with a snap release than with a sweep release.

To me the most important part of the endless belt concept is the change of direction, the whip, the smallest circle on the belt.
I see two belts- the left arm and the left wrist/hands.
I look at the endless belt, besides the conveyor belt image or the shooting ducks (the left arm), but also like a boat with a tall mast bobbing in the water. The hull moves a small distance but the top of the mast moves a great distance. The hull is the hands (pp3?) and the clubhead is the top of the mast. Hands - small circle. Clubhead -large circle, the whirl.

So a float loaded snap release - a swinger's procedure would have greater use of endless belt inherent power than a sweep release or a Hitter's straight right arm being driven to the back of the ball since the smallest circle (hands) is over a longer period of the stroke. Not to say that the belt doesn't exist in either stroke but a swinger using CF and a snap release is maxing it out.

What was your question?

[Yoda]

Is the Endless Belt different for the Swinger and Hitter?

Also . . . Does anybody have a way they could superimpose an Endless Belt aparatus on a picture of a golfer to show how it would be set up?

With concept of the Endless Belt basically the hands would be continued to be driven down the straight line portion and Downplane regardless of the pulley portion. The effort on intention would be to continue to drive at the same speed down the belt even through the pulley portion . . . no?

Bucket,

Homer Kelley termed his concept of The Endless Belt Effect (2-K #6) his "jewel."

It operates the same for both Hitters and Swingers, i.e., the surface speed of the Clubhead increases with no increase in Hand (Belt) Speed.

Regardless of the Release Point (Pulley Wheel Encounter), the Thrust continues in a straight line toward the Aiming Point.

I've got three Powerpoint slides I did -- simple stuff...no 3-D, Mathew! -- for my presentation to the Swedish PGA at their 2006 Coaching and Teaching Summit last March. I usually scratch them out on a yellow pad at my Cracker Barrel breakfast 'ground school' that I go through with almost all first-time students, and they illustrate exactly what you've asked for.

I'll get with Bagger and Bambam, and they will help me get them up for everybody.

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And here we go! Thanks, guys!

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[Yoda]

Endless Belt Illustrations are up as promised in the preceding post. Enjoy!

[12 piece bucket]

Endless Belt Illustrations are up as promised in the preceding post. Enjoy!

Those are AWESOME!!!!

Questions on the positioning of the Belt Mechanism . . .

The belt from down the line would match the Plane Angle and enscribed on the Plane from the face on view?

Also, it seems that all the motion is PARALLEL to the line of the belt . . . sort of like the concept of the all motion being parallel to the selected Delivery Line?

Would you say that the straight line EFFORT is continued even during the Radial Portion? And that effort is Downplane and consistent with Mr. K's notion that all THRUST is in a Crossline direction?

[drewitgolf]

Nice job Yoda! Continuous Instant Simplification. Gotta love this place!

[Mathew]

Those are AWESOME!!!!

Questions on the positioning of the Belt Mechanism . . .

The belt from down the line would match the Plane Angle and enscribed on the Plane from the face on view?

Also, it seems that all the motion is PARALLEL to the line of the belt . . . sort of like the concept of the all motion being parallel to the selected Delivery Line?

Would you say that the straight line EFFORT is continued even during the Radial Portion? And that effort is Downplane and consistent with Mr. K's notion that all THRUST is in a Crossline direction?

The right forearm motion is crossline because the right shoulder is not on the same plane as the club at impact - it is above plane.

The left arm works around inside a sphere of the left shoulder, the left shoulder works around a sphere of the pivot center either as a chord from a radius (head) or diameter (point between shoulders). Because of this, you can only actually have the hands going in a straightish line for a very small period. This initial thrust towards a point is extremely important, just like when you are throwing a reverse punch, the initial thrust will lead the hand in an arc towards its target around the centers of the arm(im not talking when the hand, shoulder and target is actually in a straight line already).

In automatic releases, the idea is that the straight line thrust of pp3 intersects the circularish motion of the hands making the release motions occur at that point of intersection. When the release motions occur the endless belt effect takes place as the club overtakes the left hand from its cocked and turned state on the backstroke until its cocked and rolled state after followthrough. However the release motions can be non-automatic and still have that initial thrust of the hands by initiating the roll at any point of the downstroke.

[12 piece bucket]

Bucket,

Homer Kelley termed his concept of The Endless Belt Effect (2-K #6) his "jewel."

It operates the same for both Hitters and Swingers, i.e., the surface speed of the Clubhead increases with no increase in Hand (Belt) Speed.

Regardless of the Release Point (Pulley Wheel Encounter), the Thrust continues in a straight line toward the Aiming Point.

I've got three Powerpoint slides I did -- simple stuff...no 3-D, Mathew! -- for my presentation to the Swedish PGA at their 2006 Coaching and Teaching Summit last March. I usually scratch them out on a yellow pad at my Cracker Barrel breakfast 'ground school' that I go through with almost all first-time students, and they illustrate exactly what you've asked for.

I'll get with Bagger and Bambam, and they will help me get them up for everybody.

The more I scramble up the Endless Belt in the incubator the more I think it may possibly be the most all encompassing concept in the Machine.

It certainly has much to do with:

The Laws of The Flail (and hence the Flat Left Wrist)
Lag Pressure (via the Constant Hand Speed)
The Plane Angle
The Line Delivery Path of the Hands
Cross Line Direction of the Right Forearm Angle of Approach
Aiming Point
Dragging the Wet Mop
Steady effort to go ALL THE WAY Downplane to both arms straight
Swivel back on Plane
Pivot Center
Release Types
Magic of the Right Forearm
The Top Arc Delivery Paths vs. The Line Delivery Paths
Top vs. End Backstroke
Full Lever Extension
Axis Tilt
I'm sure there are more links . . .

[okie]

Classic Exchange with oodles of info on the them belts


I can reference 2-k # 6, but I would prefer to tell you what the endless belt did for me!


Endless belt effect of # 3 Acc. ---- straight line delivery path --- more upright plane (turned shoulder plane) --- 3 dimensional impact ---- more up and down than I thought sane --- Compression!

Understanding the Endless Belt Effect opened my eyes to the sequence of learning represented above! It represented the dynamic concept/image that I needed. I actually hit balls thinking "slow hands...slow hands" I think a key in competive golf is to be deliberate without a hint of steering. Firing accumulators in sequence helps...but know that you do not have to have flash hand speed (unless you want take em' around the mulberry bush) it sucks the anticipatory stress out of the process. It allows us to think process...procedure...and consequently stay in the present. Funny thing is that my lack of play in recent years led me up to this point. For this reason and that reason I have not played much, but I did work on my game in my armchair. I am chomping at the bit...practically foaming at the mouth!

I have "reduced" my TGM bag o' tricks to the proper understanding of Homer's "Big Ideas." It has taken over a year! I know that there is a deeper level of understanding for teaching purposes, but I am now able to execute physically what I understand conceptually...what a rush!

One day I may be able to reference the book in an expert manner. I can however find the "Biggies" as fast as a seminary student can find John 3:16!

Obviously the Endless Belt Effect is a "Biggie" I think I ranked it second to the Flying Wedges in light switch ideas for me...Geometry of the Circle was helpful...the elusive Extensor action very instructive...hinge action is cheating....law of the flail brought me closer to my agrarian roots...bent and vertical right wrist made me respect all of the spear throwers of antiquity...on and on!

I don't think this has been much of a thread starter, but I am aiming for a 100 posts before January is done!

[cometgolfer]

Classic Exchange with oodles of info on the them belts


I can reference 2-k # 6, but I would prefer to tell you what the endless belt did for me!


Endless belt effect of # 3 Acc. ---- straight line delivery path --- more upright plane (turned shoulder plane) --- 3 dimensional impact ---- more up and down than I thought sane --- Compression!

Understanding the Endless Belt Effect opened my eyes to the sequence of learning represented above! It represented the dynamic concept/image that I needed. I actually hit balls thinking "slow hands...slow hands" I think a key in competive golf is to be deliberate without a hint of steering. Firing accumulators in sequence helps...but know that you do not have to have flash hand speed (unless you want take em' around the mulberry bush) it sucks the anticipatory stress out of the process. It allows us to think process...procedure...and consequently stay in the present. Funny thing is that my lack of play in recent years led me up to this point. For this reason and that reason I have not played much, but I did work on my game in my armchair. I am chomping at the bit...practically foaming at the mouth!

I have "reduced" my TGM bag o' tricks to the proper understanding of Homer's "Big Ideas." It has taken over a year! I know that there is a deeper level of understanding for teaching purposes, but I am now able to execute physically what I understand conceptually...what a rush!

One day I may be able to reference the book in an expert manner. I can however find the "Biggies" as fast as a seminary student can find John 3:16!

Obviously the Endless Belt Effect is a "Biggie" I think I ranked it second to the Flying Wedges in light switch ideas for me...Geometry of the Circle was helpful...the elusive Extensor action very instructive...hinge action is cheating....law of the flail brought me closer to my agrarian roots...bent and vertical right wrist made me respect all of the spear throwers of antiquity...on and on!

I don't think this has been much of a thread starter, but I am aiming for a 100 posts before January is done!

Good stuff Okie. I think you're taking a good approach by making the "biggies" that Homer put out there "your own". Your comment regarding "flashing hands" (Yoda mentions somewhere that Grout would work with Nicklaus on eliminating that very thing) is spot on. I played some great golf last year with only the idea of "aiming my hands" and not over-accelerating them.

Unfortunately I'm A-D-D when it comes to my swing. I tinker more than I should looking for the perfection that just isn't attainable and somehow get away from the things that work well when I have an off-day on the course.

The EB is a biggie, that's why I think it's good to resurrect some fresh discussion on it.

CG