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Old 09-24-2006, 10:37 PM
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Horizontal Hinging Basics
OK... searched the forums and the book with no luck, but this may still be a very basic question (don't mean to be a "lazy TGMer").

WHY is horizontal hinging the natural hinge action for a swinger? I am trying to become a true automatic release swinger but..... I still feel I hit too many shots that have an angled hinge to them.

If I drag load down the inclined plane and my spine maintains it's angled relationship to the ground (i.e. I don't come "up and out" of the shot), why is CF not trying to simply release the club on that angled plane? I can see why you would have HH action if you were standing vertically to the ground, but why is the same hinging in effect while you're bent over in your golfing posture?

I understand the hinge motions but I'm struggling with this concept... particularly as I try to let the swinging motion be totally controlled by CF.

Don't mean to get too basic here... thus why I started the thread where I did.

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OK... searched the forums and the book with no luck, but this may still be a very basic question (don't mean to be a "lazy TGMer").

WHY is horizontal hinging the natural hinge action for a swinger? I am trying to become a true automatic release swinger but..... I still feel I hit too many shots that have an angled hinge to them.

If I drag load down the inclined plane and my spine maintains it's angled relationship to the ground (i.e. I don't come "up and out" of the shot), why is CF not trying to simply release the club on that angled plane? I can see why you would have HH action if you were standing vertically to the ground, but why is the same hinging in effect while you're bent over in your golfing posture?

I understand the hinge motions but I'm struggling with this concept... particularly as I try to let the swinging motion be totally controlled by CF.

Don't mean to get too basic here... thus why I started the thread where I did.

Thanks,

CG
Per 6-B-3-0, "With true Throw-Out Action (no manual Clubface manipulation), Centrifugal Force automatically aligns the Clubshaft and Clubface for Horizontal Hinging..."

To prove this to yourself, tie a clubhead to a piece of string and spin around.

When the string and clubface are aligned, note how the clubhead looks...you will be surprised.
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Per 6-B-3-0, "With true Throw-Out Action (no manual Clubface manipulation), Centrifugal Force automatically aligns the Clubshaft and Clubface for Horizontal Hinging..."

To prove this to yourself, tie a clubhead to a piece of string and spin around.

When the string and clubface are aligned, note how the clubhead looks...you will be surprised.
Comp,

Thanks for the reference to 6-B-3-0. I'm now looking to see how I can tie a string safely to a clubhead and try that experiment. Seems like I recall a pic of Yoda with Lynn and some other GSED's in which he was doing that very thing.

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Comp,

Thanks for the reference to 6-B-3-0. I'm now looking to see how I can tie a string safely to a clubhead and try that experiment. Seems like I recall a pic of Yoda with Lynn and some other GSED's in which he was doing that very thing.

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CG,

You are absolutely right on that. I tried to search for that picture for you, but to no avail.
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Old 09-28-2006, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by comdpa
Per 6-B-3-0, "With true Throw-Out Action (no manual Clubface manipulation), Centrifugal Force automatically aligns the Clubshaft and Clubface for Horizontal Hinging..."

To prove this to yourself, tie a clubhead to a piece of string and spin around.

When the string and clubface are aligned, note how the clubhead looks...you will be surprised.
Comp,

It made me a little dizzy, but it sure did look like HH!

Thanks,

Rob
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Comp,

It made me a little dizzy, but it sure did look like HH!

Thanks,

Rob
Welcome Rob.

I wonder if Lynn can re-post those wonderful pictures of Mr. Kelley demonstrating this...
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I wonder if Lynn can re-post those wonderful pictures of Mr. Kelley demonstrating this...
I've got the photo and will post it as soon as I can get to a scanner.
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I wonder if Lynn can re-post those wonderful pictures of Mr. Kelley demonstrating this...
Homer Kelley told the five of us in his January 1982 GSEM Class that Centrifugal Force automatically aligns the Clubface and Clubshaft for Horizontal Hinging through Impact. To prove his point, he took us out on his driveway one morning and brought out the string device you see here. By the way, that garage in the background was Homer's 'laboratory.' All the indoor photos in the book were taken just inside that door underneath the little G.O.L.F. sign.

The Clubhead was actually balsa wood painted silver with a little screw in the middle of the Clubface to give it a Sweetspot. Homer tried several times to get the string whirling about his body, but he kept getting tangled up in the string. That's why the fellows in the background are still smiling. I remember saying, "Having a little trouble with that Start Up, aren't you, Homer?"

He finally was able to get the little Clubhead whirling around, and on one of the passes through Impact, I was able to get a perfect 'shot' of the Impact alignment. As you can see, the Clubface is "Closing Only" (Horizontal Hinge Action) and the Sweetspot in perfectly in-line with the #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger). Years later, the phenomena of "Clubhead Droop" became the newest revelation in Clubfitting, but you can see it clearly here.

I sent a copy of the photo to Homer, and some 22 years later it re-surfaced in a Sports Illustrated article that included a brief sketch about him. Someone asked me then where the magazine got the photo, and I answered: "I don't know who gave them the photo, but I do know who has the negative."

Here is the photo of that blessed event and one more that no one has seen.

Those present in the photo are (from left to right) Steve Snyder, Greg McHatton, and Mike Holder. Behind Homer is John Fey. And behind the lens...

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Homer Kelley told the five of us in his January 1982 GSEM Class that Centrifugal Force automatically aligns the Clubface and Clubshaft for Horizontal Hinging through Impact. To prove his point, he took us out on his driveway one morning and brought out the string device you see here. By the way, that garage in the background was Homer's 'laboratory.' All the indoor photos in the book were taken just inside that door underneath the little G.O.L.F. sign.

The Clubhead was actually balsa wood painted silver with a little screw in the middle of the Clubface to give it a Sweetspot. Homer tried several times to get the string whirling about his body, but he kept getting tangled up in the string. That's why the fellows in the background are still smiling. I remember saying, "Having a little trouble with that Start Up, aren't you, Homer?"

He finally was able to get the little Clubhead whirling around, and on one of the passes through Impact, I was able to get a perfect 'shot' of the Impact alignment. As you can see, the Clubface is "Closing Only" (Horizontal Hinge Action) and the Sweetspot in perfectly in-line with the #3 Pressure Point (Right Forefinger). Years later, the phenomena of "Clubhead Droop" became the newest revelation in Clubfitting, but you can see it clearly here.

I sent a copy of the photo to Homer, and some 22 years later it re-surfaced in a Sports Illustrated article that included a brief sketch about him. Someone asked me then where the magazine got the photo, and I answered: "I don't know who gave them the photo, but I do know who has the negative."

Here is the photo of that blessed event and one more that no one has seen.

Those present in the photo are (from left to right) Steve Snyder, Greg McHatton, and Mike Holder. Behind Homer is John Fey. And behind the lens...

Awesome!!!!!

Thanks for posting those pics . . . gotta love this place!

Question: You can't push a rope but you can pull it. With Axe Handle techinque you are actively thrusting against the Pressure Points and overriding CF. But with Rope Handle techique you DON'T actively thrust to accelerate . . . So what do the function do the pressure points serve? Aligning CF and allowing the intrinsic Horizontal Hinging?
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Old 09-25-2006, 10:56 AM
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You ARE releasing the club on the inclined plane. Due to CF the clubhead wants to "turn over" during impact and that's your horizontal hinge. All hinge actions are executed on the inclined plane and your amount of ROLL varies with the hinge action you're using.
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