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Old 10-12-2006, 05:47 AM
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Not really . . . I think that the "staying connected" thing that was popularized by Jimmy Ballard is very much different than what has been described by Pokechop. The Ballard connection is FORCED . . . where as the loaded #4 Pressure Point is a connection CAUSED BY FORCE . . . the down plane thrust of the right shoulder.

Take a few hard swings left hand only keeping the left arm SOFT. You will feel the "connection" . . . but it is not something that YOU HOLD . . . it is something that is caused by LAG and the pivot blasting the left arm into impact.

There is "Ballard type connection" and then there is G.O.L.F. connection . . . I'll take the latter.
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Old 10-12-2006, 07:11 AM
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,,,That is because they enjoy a fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder,,,

Wow, this is a profound relationship that I haven't seen described as well until now. I practice the feel of this relationship with Basic and Aquired motions, but tough to work into Total motion-for me.

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Old 10-13-2006, 05:38 AM
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Hip Slide or not?
Back to what I learn from my mentor, he spent a fair bit of time in going through the Aiming point concept and the timing of the power package execution. He recons Aiming Point is very much shooting an Airplane from the sky, using different type of ammunition, where we always aim in front of the airplane and not behind.
He is not a great believer on Hip Slide and pivot motion as he is a keen Neuroscience guy, his principle is quite simple – Aiming the lag pressure at start up to the plane, sense the pressure point 3 and divert the thrust to the aiming point due the downstroke, and don’t forget the ROLL PREP at start down. And forget about the SNAP, just think of a SWEEP. Forget about the PIVOT and HIP SLIDE and let the hand to request the motion.
He also recons one day if your “hand or wrist action” is fast enough, your computer will slow your hand down and you will do a SNAP by then. He also put Ernie Els as a model, he claims Ernie got slow hand due to his fast hand and wrist action.
Now, the story is according to the above post, should I hold my hand and do my Hip Slide manually, and I am pretty confuse.
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Old 10-13-2006, 09:22 AM
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Like this fellow in the white cap.
http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...demo_clip.html
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Like this fellow in the white cap.
http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...demo_clip.html
That guy stinks. He needs instant hip acceleration and a sequenced release.
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Old 10-15-2006, 12:37 AM
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pivot or 'throw'?
really hate to rehash this question, but i am still confused as to the throw as to how it can still relate to being used in a swinging motion. if i hold on and let rotation or cent. force hurl the club to the ball, wouldn't throwing the hands be more of a hitters move? from yoda's description of saying drive the hands to the ball, this seems more a hit. kind of reminds me of peter croker and his "hit" move.
thanks for some more clarification.
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Old 10-15-2006, 07:04 AM
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Well it is all going back to the Neruoscience stuff.

Open loop Motor control Skill, Cognitive Neuroscience/Memory

Educated hands are all work off from implicit memory. Just like driving and tying your shoeslaces.

The yellow book is a very comprehensive book, and Mr. Kelley not only telling use the the "Cause" of the action (Elbow and Pressure point #3, hand action), as well as he clearly depicting the "result" of the motion. (shoulder turn, Hip turn, Hip slide, Pivot rotation).

Obviously Open Loop Motor control skill is related to our past experience, the way we throw a ball, the way we swing a tennis racket or even a table tennis bat. And obviously THE BELIEVE OF THE GOLF SWING TOO.

By looking at Tiger Wood or Ernie Els, does it do any good to your swing? (Learning the result, rather then the root)

Learning pattern for junior may be different to an adult, they only take a glance to tour swing, and they won't bother to assess or evaluate it carefully. Therefore most Junior player are very good at visual. But this does not apply to adult, as with their adult skill and knowledge, they we will break it down and carefully examine it bit by bit.

Obviously different people will have different way to swing the golf club, but to me, it is more like swinging a table tennis Bat, with minimal minimal motion, and let the lag pressure to trigger the motion of the mechanics .

If you are learning how to hit, you might end up swinging....If you are learning the tripod, you might end up doing a second axis tilt.

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