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Old 11-10-2006, 02:09 PM
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1. 7-23 in TGM says "The three possible paths of the Hands down the Inclined Plane (10-23) are the Basic Delivery Procedures...". I assume two of them are LINE Delivery Paths and CIRCLE Delivery Paths. What is the third?

2. Second paragraph says "Normally, Delivery THRUST is Cross-Line--Delivery MOTION is On Line." I'm a swinger, so my question is from that point of view. Can a swinger use a LINE Delivery Path? Assuming no #1 accumulator, why is the THRUST considered "Cross-Line"? Since my aiming point is on the plane line, wouldn't my thrust be on plane? I'm just not understanding LINE Delivery paths with the swinging procedure.
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1. 7-23 in TGM says "The three possible paths of the Hands down the Inclined Plane (10-23) are the Basic Delivery Procedures...". I assume two of them are LINE Delivery Paths and CIRCLE Delivery Paths. What is the third?

2. Second paragraph says "Normally, Delivery THRUST is Cross-Line--Delivery MOTION is On Line." I'm a swinger, so my question is from that point of view. Can a swinger use a LINE Delivery Path? Assuming no #1 accumulator, why is the THRUST considered "Cross-Line"? Since my aiming point is on the plane line, wouldn't my thrust be on plane? I'm just not understanding LINE Delivery paths with the swinging procedure.
You have asked a VERY astute question. This is one of the more difficult ones to "get." But you are on the right track my friend.

To your first point . . . You are correct there is the Circle Path of the Hands, the Straight Line Delivery Path of the Hands and the Angled Line and the Top Arc Paths too. Check out 10-23. You can get a good feel for what the are and their Simaliarities and Differences.

The THURST normally being Cross-Line is a very fine point.

1. The Inclined Plane is basically like a roof . . . like this \ and it extends in all directions up to the sky and down into the earth.

2. On that Inclined Plane lies a circle 0 . . . which is the orbit of the clubhead or sweetspot. Easy enough.

3. There are two primary points on the Inclined Plane and the Circle that are very relevant to our discussion . . . the IMPACT POINT and the LOW POINT.

4. The IMPACT POINT is ABOVE GROUND and the LOW POINT is typically BELOW GROUND for an iron shot with the ball back of LOW POINT of the swing arc.
So the ball is struck at IMPACT POINT and the Clubhead continues to travel DOWN-PLANE (Down, Out and Forward) and down the arc of the Circle until LOW POINT . . . its lowest point and the back up and in - on-plane.

OK Easy enough . . . but here is the critical element in my estimation . . .

5. The BALL LEAVES ON A VERTICAL PLANE . . . MEANING VERTICAL TO THE GROUND.


BUT THE CLUB CONTINUES TO TRAVEL DOWNPLANE TO LOW POINT . . . thus VISUALLY CROSSING THE LINE OF FLIGHT TO THE BALL FROM THE PLAYER'S PERSPECTIVE.

Why? Because Low Point is DOWNPLANE of the Impact Point and thus OUTSIDE the Line of Flight of the ball.

If the player does not understand this he will STEER . . . as Mr. K said "THE NUMBER ONE MALFUNCTION . . . THE BENT LEFT WRIST." Steering is defined in 3-F-7-A:

3-F-7-A STEERING is the Number One malfunction – The Bent Left Wrist and Clubhead Throwaway. Any or all of the following faults during Impact may need to be adjusted out – holding:

1. the Clubface square to the Target Line
2. the Clubhead on Target Line
3. the Clubhead on a level or upward path
A very successful anti-steering therapy is an exaggerated “inside-out” Cut Shot per 10-5-E. Study 2-J-3, 2-N and 12-3-39. You always Swing along the Plane Line but not always along the Flight Line. So learn to dismiss the Flight Line. Depend on Clubface alignment for direction control (2-J). In fact, learn to execute all Plane Line Variations (10-5) to remove all uncertainty from your Computer (14-0).



This is why DOWN is sooo vitally important . . .People don't have enough DOWN but they also don't have enough OUT . . . better yet their OUT is at the wrong time.

This is also why Mr. K said that the INSIDE OUT CUT SHOT is the pill for what ails you. You must "LEARN TO DISMISS THE LINE OF FLIGHT!!!!" He wanted to exaggerate this principal with the inside out cut shut. Swing WAY out to right field and adjust the clubface and the ball will still fly straight.

YOU MUST VISUALLY SEE THE CLUBHEAD PASS TO THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR TARGET LINE

This is the principal of the Geometry of the Circle and the Physics of rotation. You are swinging on a circle and the resulting force MUST got DOWN, OUT AND FORWARD INTO THE GROUND!!!

Mr. K says in 7-23 . . . Delivery “THRUST” is “Cross Line” – Delivery “MOTION” is “On Line”. Even at Low Point, because Delivery Path Angle (direction) is ALWAYS the alternate Target Line (7-2-3) even with Circle Delivery Path (1-L-9, 1-L-10). Study 7-11 and 7-19.
AND in 6-C-A-2 The Orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the Ball – it seeks out the Delivery Line

The direction of an object on the end of a rotating string will exit at 90 degrees to its radius. And if that orbit is angled like the Inclined Plane that is OUT TO THE RIGHT!!!! This is why your clubhead has a HOOKED FACE!!! It is hooked to divert the force OUT TO RIGHT-FIELD back toward YOUR TARGET!!!

Your clubhead is just the weight at the end of the string . . . the string or the laws of physics don't care if the WEIGHT is hooked faced . . . you just have to TRUST the laws of physic and DON'T STEER the Clubhead to the TARGET LINE. Let the force go down and out into the ground outside of the flight path of the ball.

BUT YOU THE GOLFER MUST KEEP DRIVING DOWN AND OUT!!!! OUTSIDE THE LINE OF FLIGHT OF THE BALL!!!

Do what Mr. K told you DISMISS THE LINE OF FLIGHT OF THE BALL . . . your HOOKED CLUBFACE WILL GET THE BALL TO THE TARGET VIA YOUR HINGE ACTION IMPARTED BY THE ROLL OF THE LEFT ARM FLYING WEDGE. You just take the LAG DOWN AND OUT!!!

In summary . . . the CLUBHEAD's target is IN FRONT OF YOU not to the SIDE OF YOU (the green). The Clubface must adhere also to the Delivery Line as well. Per 4-D-0:
It is mandatory that there is no break or bend in the Delivery Line direction during either half of the Release Motion. Both halves, as well as, the Release and Finish Roll (2-G), must be executed on the same Delivery Line (2-J-3) – On Line or Cross Line, but not both

Remember a flat plane has a straight baseline. A circle is two dimensional and can lie on a flat plane. If the Plane Line loses it straightness the Clubhead Orbit becomes three dimensional and precision vanishes
So you are going to BUST UP the PLANE LINE with your CLUBHEAD but you are going to also employ your Hinge Action to keep the CLUBFACE's relationship with the Plane Line.

NOW . . . Remember your Hands are easier to Monitor than your Clubhead. So you totally replace the Clubhead in your mind . . . YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUBHEAD . . . YOU HAVE LAG PRESSURE. So you are taking that LAG PRESSURE DOWN DOWN DOWN through Low Point and your Aiming Point to BOTH ARMS STRAIGHT. And per 1-F:

You will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments. Right Hand – Clubhead. Left Hand – Clubface. Essentially, the Left Hand should be consciously Monitored (5-0) from Start Up (8-4) to Finish (8-12) so there will be no unintentional or panicky wobble.
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Very good stuff.

And just think, all this info came out of a bucket of fried chicken! I love it when you guys get on a roll like that. That post is gonna require a few re-reads. It must be cool to read what you just wrote and say 'yeah, that came from my head.' Imagine reading that before your Golfing Machine days ?

So, is the inclined plane at the core of these ideas ? Compared to croquet, which is played on a verticle plane....the thrust is only vertically down. Compared to billiards, which is played on a horizontal plane...the thrust is only forward(or is it out ? not sure about that).

But, like hockey, we operate on an inclined plane. So the thrust must go down and out. From the Tom Tomasello videos: "swing to right field and the ball will go towards the pitcher."

The golf swing is the result of two divergent forces.

As a little side question, is it correct that the right forearm at impact fix dictates where the delivery line is?
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Very good stuff.

And just think, all this info came out of a bucket of fried chicken! I love it when you guys get on a roll like that. That post is gonna require a few re-reads. It must be cool to read what you just wrote and say 'yeah, that came from my head.' Imagine reading that before your Golfing Machine days ?

So, is the inclined plane at the core of these ideas ? Compared to croquet, which is played on a verticle plane....the thrust is only vertically down. Compared to billiards, which is played on a horizontal plane...the thrust is only forward(or is it out ? not sure about that).

But, like hockey, we operate on an inclined plane. So the thrust must go down and out. From the Tom Tomasello videos: "swing to right field and the ball will go towards the pitcher."

The golf swing is the result of two divergent forces.

As a little side question, is it correct that the right forearm at impact fix dictates where the delivery line is?
If you wanna check out some golf like movement check out some field hockey pics. My boy lagster put me on to that. It's uncanny.

The Right Forearm at Fix does approximate the Angle of Approach Delivery Line if you just imagine a line on the ground parallel to your on-plane Right Forearm . . . But Mr. K said that you didn't have to be precise about the Angle of Approach . . . just go out to right field. You can also imagine a curved line sort of parallel to the forearm to get an idea of the Arc of Approach.

The whole parallel to the forearm thing is in the 5th 2-J-3 . .. but it didn't make it to the 6th or 7th. Too bad. I thought that was pure genius.
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Bucket's post #2 above deserves to be studied, not just read. Only those who truly know The Golfing Machine (in all its editions) know what it took to write it.

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Thank you for your post, Rich, and for your many other contributions. I appreciate more than you know the tremendous effort you have made to increase your own understanding. And I am truly grateful that you have used that understanding -- and your other God-given (albeit sometimes outrageous!) talents -- to support our mission at LynnBlakeGolf.com.

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Bucket's post #2 above deserves to be studied, not just read. Only those who truly know The Golfing Machine (in all its editions) know what it took to write it.

Two LBG 'Thumbs Up!"

Thank you for your post, Rich, and for your many other contributions. I appreciate more than you know the tremendous effort you have made to increase your own understanding. And I am truly grateful that you have used that understanding -- and your other God-given (albeit sometimes outrageous!) talents -- to support our mission at LynnBlakeGolf.com.

You are a true friend of LBG, and we could not be more proud.

I'd still be pickin' my nose (uh wait a minute) if you hadn't got sick that day and started posting Bossman! I spoke with Mike O on the phone today and found out that he was responsible for your happening upon the Machine sites. That completely tripped me out!

I wouldn't have been able to write that post if it weren't for you, Homer Kelley and Mike Olberberthumperdink.

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I'd still be pickin' my nose (uh wait a minute) if you hadn't got sick that day and started posting Bossman! I spoke with Mike O on the phone today and found out that he was responsible for your happening upon the Machine sites. That completely tripped me out!

I wouldn't have been able to write that post if it weren't for you, Homer Kelley and Mike Olberberthumperdink.

You gotta love the LBG . . . changing games . . . and changing lives.

Just keep following the Yellow Book Road . . .
Auntie Em, Auntie Em, it's a twister!

I concur with Yoda. (Bucket, this means: "yeah...what he said.")

I was so proud of post #2, I thought I wuz gonna bust.
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I spoke with Mike O on the phone today and found out that he was responsible for your happening upon the Machine sites. That completely tripped me out!
"It's twue!"

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* Everyone under the age of 50 is entitled to a Google search.

One day I will write the story about how Mike O personally was responsible for my 'return' to the TGM/Golf scene after a 20-year sabbatical. In fact, I already may have. Time for an archive check!

About those early days, in a late-night, early-2004 PM to me, he said it all:

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You have asked a VERY astute question. This is one of the more difficult ones to "get." But you are on the right track my friend.

To your first point . . . You are correct there is the Circle Path of the Hands, the Straight Line Delivery Path of the Hands and the Angled Line and the Top Arc Paths too. Check out 10-23. You can get a good feel for what the are and their Simaliarities and Differences.

The THURST normally being Cross-Line is a very fine point.

1. The Inclined Plane is basically like a roof . . . like this \ and it extends in all directions up to the sky and down into the earth.

2. On that Inclined Plane lies a circle 0 . . . which is the orbit of the clubhead or sweetspot. Easy enough.

3. There are two primary points on the Inclined Plane and the Circle that are very relevant to our discussion . . . the IMPACT POINT and the LOW POINT.

4. The IMPACT POINT is ABOVE GROUND and the LOW POINT is typically BELOW GROUND for an iron shot with the ball back of LOW POINT of the swing arc.
So the ball is struck at IMPACT POINT and the Clubhead continues to travel DOWN-PLANE (Down, Out and Forward) and down the arc of the Circle until LOW POINT . . . its lowest point and the back up and in - on-plane.

OK Easy enough . . . but here is the critical element in my estimation . . .

5. The BALL LEAVES ON A VERTICAL PLANE . . . MEANING VERTICAL TO THE GROUND.


BUT THE CLUB CONTINUES TO TRAVEL DOWNPLANE TO LOW POINT . . . thus VISUALLY CROSSING THE LINE OF FLIGHT TO THE BALL FROM THE PLAYER'S PERSPECTIVE.

Why? Because Low Point is DOWNPLANE of the Impact Point and thus OUTSIDE the Line of Flight of the ball.

If the player does not understand this he will STEER . . . as Mr. K said "THE NUMBER ONE MALFUNCTION . . . THE BENT LEFT WRIST." Steering is defined in 3-F-7-A:

3-F-7-A STEERING is the Number One malfunction – The Bent Left Wrist and Clubhead Throwaway. Any or all of the following faults during Impact may need to be adjusted out – holding:

1. the Clubface square to the Target Line
2. the Clubhead on Target Line
3. the Clubhead on a level or upward path
A very successful anti-steering therapy is an exaggerated “inside-out” Cut Shot per 10-5-E. Study 2-J-3, 2-N and 12-3-39. You always Swing along the Plane Line but not always along the Flight Line. So learn to dismiss the Flight Line. Depend on Clubface alignment for direction control (2-J). In fact, learn to execute all Plane Line Variations (10-5) to remove all uncertainty from your Computer (14-0).



This is why DOWN is sooo vitally important . . .People don't have enough DOWN but they also don't have enough OUT . . . better yet their OUT is at the wrong time.

This is also why Mr. K said that the INSIDE OUT CUT SHOT is the pill for what ails you. You must "LEARN TO DISMISS THE LINE OF FLIGHT!!!!" He wanted to exaggerate this principal with the inside out cut shut. Swing WAY out to right field and adjust the clubface and the ball will still fly straight.

YOU MUST VISUALLY SEE THE CLUBHEAD PASS TO THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR TARGET LINE

This is the principal of the Geometry of the Circle and the Physics of rotation. You are swinging on a circle and the resulting force MUST got DOWN, OUT AND FORWARD INTO THE GROUND!!!

Mr. K says in 7-23 . . . Delivery “THRUST” is “Cross Line” – Delivery “MOTION” is “On Line”. Even at Low Point, because Delivery Path Angle (direction) is ALWAYS the alternate Target Line (7-2-3) even with Circle Delivery Path (1-L-9, 1-L-10). Study 7-11 and 7-19.
AND in 6-C-A-2 The Orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the Ball – it seeks out the Delivery Line

The direction of an object on the end of a rotating string will exit at 90 degrees to its radius. And if that orbit is angled like the Inclined Plane that is OUT TO THE RIGHT!!!! This is why your clubhead has a HOOKED FACE!!! It is hooked to divert the force OUT TO RIGHT-FIELD back toward YOUR TARGET!!!

Your clubhead is just the weight at the end of the string . . . the string or the laws of physics don't care if the WEIGHT is hooked faced . . . you just have to TRUST the laws of physic and DON'T STEER the Clubhead to the TARGET LINE. Let the force go down and out into the ground outside of the flight path of the ball.

BUT YOU THE GOLFER MUST KEEP DRIVING DOWN AND OUT!!!! OUTSIDE THE LINE OF FLIGHT OF THE BALL!!!

Do what Mr. K told you DISMISS THE LINE OF FLIGHT OF THE BALL . . . your HOOKED CLUBFACE WILL GET THE BALL TO THE TARGET VIA YOUR HINGE ACTION IMPARTED BY THE ROLL OF THE LEFT ARM FLYING WEDGE. You just take the LAG DOWN AND OUT!!!

In summary . . . the CLUBHEAD's target is IN FRONT OF YOU not to the SIDE OF YOU (the green). The Clubface must adhere also to the Delivery Line as well. Per 4-D-0:
It is mandatory that there is no break or bend in the Delivery Line direction during either half of the Release Motion. Both halves, as well as, the Release and Finish Roll (2-G), must be executed on the same Delivery Line (2-J-3) – On Line or Cross Line, but not both

Remember a flat plane has a straight baseline. A circle is two dimensional and can lie on a flat plane. If the Plane Line loses it straightness the Clubhead Orbit becomes three dimensional and precision vanishes
So you are going to BUST UP the PLANE LINE with your CLUBHEAD but you are going to also employ your Hinge Action to keep the CLUBFACE's relationship with the Plane Line.

NOW . . . Remember your Hands are easier to Monitor than your Clubhead. So you totally replace the Clubhead in your mind . . . YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUBHEAD . . . YOU HAVE LAG PRESSURE. So you are taking that LAG PRESSURE DOWN DOWN DOWN through Low Point and your Aiming Point to BOTH ARMS STRAIGHT. And per 1-F:

You will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments. Right Hand – Clubhead. Left Hand – Clubface. Essentially, the Left Hand should be consciously Monitored (5-0) from Start Up (8-4) to Finish (8-12) so there will be no unintentional or panicky wobble.

Very nice Bucket....

As this is the 'advanced' section.... some food for thought...

For a zero shift motion, take Bucket's point #2 and relate it to PP#1.
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