Manipulated-hands Swinger

[birdie_man]

Do they still horizontally hinge? Or is that just for CF swingers? (ala Bobby Jones- he is a CF swinger, right?)

[Matt]

A manipulated hands swinger is just a swinger that doesn't use pure horizontal hinging all the time. If you're a swinger and use angled hinging, then you're deemed a 'manipulated hands swinger.' All it means is that you can use multiple hinge actions to hit shots, whereas the 'true swinger' relies solely on centrifugal force and must use horizontal hinging.

[powerdraw]

so how do you go from manipulated hands swinger to a free wheelin full CF'in HH swinga?

[jim_0068]

manipulated hands swinger =

ben hogan
jack nicklaus

Especially jack, he was an angled hinging swinger.

[powerdraw]

so how do you go from manipulated hands swinger to a free wheelin full CF'in HH swinga?

anybody got an answer to this?

[powerdraw]

so then ball control would be left up to ball positioning, keerect?
and AH and VH would be manipulated hands swinger on purpose?

[Yoda]

so then ball control would be left up to ball positioning, keerect?
and AH and VH would be manipulated hands swinger on purpose?

For the True Swinger, Centrifugal Force automatically and exclusively produces Horizontal Hinge Action. Therefore, when considering Directional Factors, Ball Control (Zone #3) is limited to Ball Location, Plane Angle and Plane Line Rotation. The Delivery Path and Release Components further control Distance Factors.

As you have suggested, this renders Angled and Vertical Hinging the exclusive province of the Manipulated Hands Swinger (and Hitter). However, the choice of Hinge Action does not differentiate the True Swinger from his Manipulated Hands counterpart. That is because the Manipulated Hands Swinger can also use Horizontal Hinging.

In fact, the term 'Manipulated Hands' refers only incidentally to any Hand Manipulation of the Clubface during the Swing. Instead, it designates the ability to produce straight Shots from any Ball Location (and not just the one dictated by Centrifugal Force when it alone aligns the Clubface). This is accomplished prior to the Stroke by taking the Grip with the Left Hand in its Flat, Level and Vertical Impact Condition and with the Clubface aligned according to the intended Hinge Action.

[powerdraw]

thanks lynn, i havent been around here much eh! lol

so its an option but what are the downfalls of manipulated hands swing?

[Yoda]

...what are the downfalls of manipulated hands swing?

There is no downside to Manipulated Hands Swinging. In fact, Homer Kelley specifically discouraged True Swinging due to the terrific problem of Ball Location.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by powerdraw

...what are the downfalls of manipulated hands swing?

There is no downside to Manipulated Hands Swinging. In fact, Homer Kelley specifically discouraged True Swinging due to the terrific problem of Ball Location.

Are we, therefore, saying that any hand manipulation is best done at address as opposed to during the actual swinging process?