Another approach, focus completely on taking a divot. Forget the ball, your ONLY objective should be taking a good divot, and letting the ball get in the way.
Down, down, down - to both arms straight.
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Maybe we should make sure we are all on the same page.
Downstroke Blackout - as I understand it - is the loss of clubhead feel, which in turn, results in every abnormality of the golf stroke imaginable and then some - but in particulary, loss of a sense of where the clubhead is.
What you should be concentrating on is gaining clubhead feel. Now, whether it is via a specific pressure point or just an overall sense in your hands is up to you. Feeling the sweetspot is feeling the clubhead. When you throw a ball, you are throwing the center of gravity - the same applies with golf.
Shorten the stroke, slow the stroke or delay the release until you can feel positive clubhead lag pressure. See 3-F-6 for more. And of course, always outward, downward, downward, downward, and forward.
Maybe we should make sure we are all on the same page.
Downstroke Blackout - as I understand it - is the loss of clubhead feel, which in turn, results in every abnormality of the golf stroke imaginable and then some - but in particulary, loss of a sense of where the clubhead is.
What you should be concentrating on is gaining clubhead feel. Now, whether it is via a specific pressure point or just an overall sense in your hands is up to you. Feeling the sweetspot is feeling the clubhead. When you throw a ball, you are throwing the center of gravity - the same applies with golf.
Shorten the stroke, slow the stroke or delay the release until you can feel positive clubhead lag pressure. See 3-F-6 for more. And of course, always outward, downward, downward, downward, and forward.
Just a few thoughts.
Patrick
Perhaps this is my first post trying to bridge the gap between conventional golf instruction and TGM. I could write a 600 page book relating my experiences while receiving instruction from Golf Pros not versed in TGM. I won't, too boring, but may write a chronological history covering almost 50 years of searching for the Secret by seeking out numerous teachers and trying to dig it out of the dirt. Typical, I suspect, for almost all, 95% or more, of golfers trying to develop a good , repeating swing. (getting it from the range to the course!)
Nothing that follows is meant to be critical nor is anything directed at any particular poster in the thread. I just find, the more I read in this thread, the more I become confused.
Patrick has almost helped the thread make some sense, "on the same page" but I still don't think the original poster has operationally defined his problem, resulting in replies all over the spectrum, guessing, providing answers that may in fact be perfect for another problem, reminds me of the GD Forum which, thank goodness, I no longer visit.
That being said I will offer my solution to the undefined problem! I think I detect two clues in the original post that may offer a solution, or at least clear some fog re. exactly what is the problem, "fast' and "PP # 3".
My understanding of PP #3, it's use, etc., is, no matter how you place your right hand on the club, you will have a point someplace that becomes PP #3, PP #3 is passive, PP #3 is to be monitored not used to minipulate anything. Everyone has a PP #3, even if not aware of it.
I would think if anyone over concentrated on PP#3 it might cause a loss of PP#1? The reason for the "fast?" Perhaps the original poster should remove a little concentration from PP #3 to PP #1? Monitor PP #1?
Or, as in my case over the years, I am a swinger, always have been, never understood before exposure to TGM, my swing went to hexx when I tried to be a hitter w/o knowing how to be a hitter.
Or, the same thing happened when I, for some unknown reason, used "pivot controlled hands" instead of my normal "hands controlled pivot."
Always called this"puffing up in the backswing" = trying to get more shoulder turn by consciously turning shoulders.
Guess I'll spend the rest of the day trying to figure out why I made this post!
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I have found and fight two small things. One which can be cured with 3-F-5. The other and I will call it rhythm and tempo is lost, both, no confusion here. It is all related to Tension. Tension first in the upper arms (primarily the right) and that for some unexplain reason leads to the pivot going to heck in a hand basket, tempo increases and the results, well at times I know if I would have used a putter I would have had a better result.
Don't know if you are experiencing the same. It took me a while to identify the tension problem, the tempo was easy to note as different and the loss of rhythm show itself as well.
I havent beat it but I do on occasion manage to overcome it. Focusing on 3-F-5, is where I am at as well as shaking the arms at times to ensure I don't try and tighten up.
Someone had suggest I go back to humming an old tune in my head to try and stay even.
What I am working on is 3-F-5 as I am going thru this section. I will be monitoring supple Ankles, Knees,Hips,shoulders and Neck to get away from the tension. Think they are attached with a piece of rope. Its alot, but I think with time and alot of practice. It might come together This means sacrafice the shot and put in the work!
I was wondering if any one has any suggestion on how to take a swing to the course. I read TGM when I have free time. I also watch my videos of my swing that I took with my AI. I practice my swing with my impact bag. I am also educating my hands by swing with each arm separtedly and I LOOK! LOOK! LOOK! at my wrist position's When I am at the range. ( FLat left wrist/bend right wrist) I can hit some awesome shots. I make sure that I am in balance and bringing the hole club to the ball.
My problem is when I take it to the course I lose my rhytem. I get to fast and I think I really have too smack it. Which, I know is not correct. I really hit some poor shots, shot that I know won't hit the fairway or the attend target. DOWN SWING BLACKOUT!
I went to the range this afternoon and worked on light grip preasure. So, I could feel , The loading of the sweet spot against PP # 3 and sustaining it. Work pretty good at the end of my session.
In reading through this thread, I would agree that Patrick came the closest to the root cause of DSBO....clubhead awareness. There was also a comment, I think from 6b, about the natural defense mechanism of the body.
All the suggestions for the cures of DSBO are perfect but I think they will work better with a more solid definition of the problem.
I'm seeing DSBO as a natural reaction of the body's defense mechanism when the clubhead is coming toward you, even in the slightest amount, during the swing. The eyes blink and the head moves away from that force. A natural reaction.
There is also the desire to move the club forward too soon and this causes the balance problem. Because, at some point we realise that we have to stop to let the clubhead catch up or redirected. When that happens it feels like it is a tempo problem because of the out of alignment and the feeling that everything is out of control. Again, the body then responds defensively by trying to get out of the way of that force.
I'd say then that the above suggestions will help keep the clubhead away from your head during the crucial moments of the "down/out to low point" concept. The rock at the end of a string kinda thing.
Downstroke blackout = Losing awareness of all that is involved in clearing the right hip (clear as in slide or move out of the way to avoid right hip/elbow interference).
Like almost all involved in golf, you can do a better job of promoting hip clearance on the range than you can when actually playing. During practice, you don't feel as much desire to steer the ball to the hole, or to over-accelerate. I'd say certainly know this when you play.
Maintain clubhead feel until after impact (A lot easier said than done, when you feel you must make the ball go X yards). That's almost a sure bet that your body will have done what is necessary to avoid right hip/elbow interference, as if the interference occurred, throw away would have resulted, which, in turn, would have made you lose clubhead feel.
Also, let the brain know how you'd like the body to respond to the hands per 8-1 and by practicing downstroke waggles.
I read TGM when I have free time. I also watch my videos of my swing that I took with my AI. I practice my swing with my impact bag. I am also educating my hands by swing with each arm separtedly and I LOOK! LOOK! LOOK! at my wrist position's When I am at the range. ( FLat left wrist/bend right wrist) I can hit some awesome shots. I make sure that I am in balance and bringing the hole club to the ball.
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