Pivot

[6bmike]

Homer Kelley said that if the Hips move the club on the back swing- it is a Pivot control Hands procedure. I think everyone can see that.

IMHO, Hula Hula allows for the hips to move first- gear train from the bottom up- and create a space for the Hands to attack the ball to Impact. The Delivery Paths are clear for the Hands to accomplish its task.

If you do not use Hula Hula, the INDEPENDENT movement of the hips from the shoulders (not merely a hip slide) and wait to use the left hip to rotate with the right arm through Impact – you are closer to Pivot control Hands then you think.

I got zero support on this part and I don’t care if I’m some kind of of joke around here but....
Hula Hula with Hands that monitor Delivery Lines with a load power package and ALL of the Imperatives intact can’t be dominated by a Pivot.

Here is Freddie Couples. According to Ben Doyle, he was Homer Kelley's inspiration for the Right Forearm Take-Away (Pick up).

[Bagger Lance]

IMHO, Hula Hula allows for the hips to move first- gear train from the bottom up- and create a space for the Hands to attack the ball to Impact. The Delivery Paths are clear for the Hands to accomplish its task.

If you do not use Hula Hula, the INDEPENDENT movement of the hips from the shoulders (not merely a hip slide) and wait to use the left hip to rotate with the right arm through Impact – you are closer to Pivot control Hands then you think.

I got zero support on this part and I don’t care if I’m some kind of of joke around here but....
Hula Hula with Hands that monitor Delivery Lines with a load power package and ALL of the Imperatives intact can’t be dominated by a Pivot.

I think you must get the hips out of the way/clear for the hands to have a path back, up, in...and a delivery path back down.

There is Hip Turn and there is Hip Action. In summary, Hip Turn permits a weight shift and accomodates other pivot functions. Hip Action leads the shoulders. You need both components. I could be wrong, but it sounds like you use 10-15-A Standard Hip Action to lead the shoulders in both directions.

If the hips are leading the shoulders in both directions, then by definition the hands will also be led. But this is not pivot controlled hands unless you are combining it with a shoulder turn takeway instead of the right forearm pickup. Even then I would argue it can be hands controlled for the rest of the stroke.

Lynn prefers a Delayed hip action which is a nice compliment to a right forearm pickup, but you can do it with either Hip Action.

In terms of hula hula, the hip motion is executed under a stationary head. Except for 10-14-E Zero Hip Motion, and 10-15-D Zero Hip Action you can't tilt the axis, clear the hips, and whollop the ball without a hula hula motion. Turn up the Polynesian music. It has nothing to do with pivot controlled hands as long as your hands "know" lag pressure, delivery line tracing, and delivery path aiming.

The weight is shifted targetward with a hip bump/slide motion. This motion loads lag pressure for the start down. Now the hands have a clear path down plane for aiming and delivering the loaded lag pressure to the ball. The Hip Action takes direction from the hands and facilitates turning the right shoulder downplane to deliver hands to their aiming point. That is hands controlled pivot. Geometry over Physics.

Pivot controlled hands via 10-24-F is Physics over Geometry...not that there's anything wrong with that.

[spike]

Not sure how to say it in TGM language. Maybe you guys can decipher the words for me.

When I see my swing on video, it shocks me how much hip bump, axis tilt and shift there is when I don't even feel it or try to do it. On video the hip/shift certainly looks like it is moving first. What I do feel and intend is throwing the clubhead down, out and through the ball.

The funny thing is, that when the shaft gets out of alignment to the body's center and then force is applied to the shaft the body wants to respond or get out of the way of that force. Even if it is off plane.

Could this be called Lag Force Direction Hands Controlled Pivot? Isn't it the "intended" force and it's direction that causes the hip bump or shift? And wouldn't the left hip clear due to the sustaining of that force?

The other way around, for me, is too hard to time. And I don't think I'm limber enough to move the hip first without losing the directional integrity of the downswing flying wedges. The Thai people can do it. They seem to be able to separate the lower body from the upper quite easily. Not me...there is no distinction between my upper and lower body....it's a beer keg!