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Old 05-06-2005, 06:48 PM
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The 7th Edition....
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Today, I was in my car listening to cassette tapes of my 3 day school with Tom Tomasello....and at one point in the conversation Tommy mentioned that he had a copy of the 7th edition. It sounded like it was a published edition.....hmmmmm that was 1993.....recently, I was under the impression that the 7th edition is only in note form and it needs to be published??? What's the latest on the final edition???

Tommy also mentioned on the tape that he had 120 one hour cassette tapes of his 10-day school with Homer....the first authorized class of TGM on tape. At the time, someone in New York was making copies of the tapes!!! I wonder who has them now??? A copy of those tapes would be awesome!!! Something like that should be in the PGA Golf Museum in New Jersey...

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Old 05-06-2005, 08:47 PM
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Homer's Written And Spoken Word
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Yoda,

Today, I was in my car listening to cassette tapes of my 3 day school with Tom Tomasello....and at one point in the conversation Tommy mentioned that he had a copy of the 7th edition. It sounded like it was a published edition.....hmmmmm that was 1993.....recently, I was under the impression that the 7th edition is only in note form and it needs to be published??? What's the latest on the final edition???

Tommy also mentioned on the tape that he had 120 one hour cassette tapes of his 10-day school with Homer....the first authorized class of TGM on tape. At the time, someone in New York was making copies of the tapes!!! I wonder who has them now??? A copy of those tapes would be awesome!!! Something like that should be in the PGA Golf Museum in New Jersey...

DG
Homer Kelley died on Valentine's Day, February 14, 1983. On his desk was the completed 7th Edition of The Golfing Machine. In the intervening twenty-two years, the official word has been: "The 7th Edition will be published soon." To date, that promise remains unfulfilled.

The recent sale of the entire rights to former co-owner Joe Daniels ushers in a new day and a new promise. The work is there. It has been there. It has only to be published by those with the right to do so. And so the Golf World waits. Go to www.thegolfingmachine.com to to learn of any progress and to email your thoughts.

Regarding the 1981 Master Class with Alex Sloan, Tom Tomasello and Larry Aspinson: The nine-day class was the first of only three Homer lived to conduct. It was indeed audio-taped -- unfortunatey, the 120 hours is a bit of a stretch -- and has now been converted to CD. As have been the second and third Master Classes, including my own in January 1982.

Whether or not that Collection belongs in a PGA golf museum is debatable. Remember, there already is the USGA site, not to mention my personal choice, the World Golf Hall of Fame!

Until then, continue to read my posts. When you do, you are 'listening' to the recorded words of Homer Kelley:

All of them...
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:05 PM
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Money?

When I spoke with Don Shaw the other week, he told me he put up the money to publish the third edition of the book - about 3,000 dollars. He didn't expect to make any money doing this, as he told me. He so badly wanted the information to be known- for his own satisfaction and others. He succeeded. I hope Joe gets the magic number seven out.
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Old 05-06-2005, 09:25 PM
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Money?

When I spoke with Don Shaw the other week, he told me he put up the money to publish the third edition of the book - about 3,000 dollars. He didn't expect to make any money doing this, as he told me. He so badly wanted the information to be known- for his own satisfaction and others. He succeeded. I hope Joe gets the magic number seven out.
As Robert Schuller said years ago in his book Possibility Thinking: "There is never a Money Problem. There is only an Idea Problem."

With regards to The Golfing Machine, trust me:

There is no Idea Problem...
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TGM History
Yoda,

Thanks for the update....it's great to know a major piece of TGM history has been preserved.

To perserving TGM history and Homer's genius!!!

Cheers,

DG

I believe the site I commented on was the USGA site in New Jersey...sorry for any confusion.
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:43 PM
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according to Amazon.com, here are some random books and their sales ranking for all books:

The Golfing Machine- # 42,283
Dantes Four magic moves- # 36,386
Jorgenson’s The Physics of Golf- # 32,394
Lochran and Stobbs- Search for the Perfect... # 212,600
Flick’s On Golf- # 234,954
Percey’s On Learning Golf- # 43,094
Tiger’s How I play Golf - # 2,671
LAWS- # 171,346
De la Torre Understanding the golf Swing- # 2,493 - a top seller
Hebron’s Secrets and Lies - # 37,090
E. Jones’s Swing the Clubhead- # 837
Hogan’s Five Lesson’s # 608 number 1 BEST SELLER
Penick’s Little Red Book- # 2,229
Pelz- Short Game- # 1,344
E. Els Build a Perfect Swing- # 69,030
and the first book I ever bought,
Toski/Love, How to Feel a Real Golf Swing - #59,561


These numbers change almost instantly- and where recorded 10:30ish Friday night.
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Hogan's Five Lessons Needs A Warning Label
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according to Amazon.com, here are some random books and their sales ranking for all books:

Hogan’s Five Lesson’s # 608 number 1 BEST SELLER
While there is much valuable information in Hogan's Five Lessons, there are two grossly distorted concepts not employed by The Man himself:

1. The banded, 'elbow-pockets up' Arms.

2. The over-the-shoulders pane of glass and its baseline downstroke shift to the right of target.

For the above misrepresentations of the Flying Wedges and the Inclined Plane, the book should come with a warning label.

Caveat Emptor.
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Re: Hogan's Five Lessons Needs A Warning Label
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according to Amazon.com, here are some random books and their sales ranking for all books:

Hogan’s Five Lesson’s # 608 number 1 BEST SELLER
While there is much valuable information in Hogan's Five Lessons, there are two grossly distorted concepts not employed by The Man himself:

1. The banded, 'elbow-pockets up' Arms.

2. The over-the-shoulders pane of glass and its baseline downstroke shift to the right of target.

For the above misrepresentations of the Flying Wedges and the Inclined Plane, the book should come with a warning label.

Caveat Emptor.

Someday- "Golfing with Yoda" will be a NATIONAL bestseller and the all time number one golf instruction book- someday soon.

Hogan's elbows up and bent swing plane are his two "Seems as Ifs."
All golfers needs "Seems as Ifs"- its their personal FEEL. It is their feel from their mechanics but it is not excatly what is being reproduced. This is why you can never learn from FEEL instructors.

Another case in point, this months huge Golf Digest Issue, Mr Toski claims the swing should gain speed like a canoe going over a falls. Crapes, I'll pass on that "seems as if."

btw: once again Chuck Cook has wonderful instruction as he explains Payne Stewart's chipping at Pinehurst in '99.
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Yoda has the potential to write the most successful Golf Instruction Manual in history in my opinion. His success has been proven again and again of late with everyone that see's him and Ted giving unbelievable reviews. Homer's work thru Yoda is certified dynamite.

Chuck Cook is always interesting Mike. I have his book and it's a nice read. I have hundreds of golf instructionals and probably the three best excepting TGM of course are Hank Johnson's, Cook's and Hebron's, all TGM men With not much practice i used a lot of TGM on the course today and started to hit the ball very solid.

Now Yoda, about that book
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:41 AM
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I think Yoda could write a great book, however any book that wants to SELL needs to be "co-written" in a sense for the golfing "masses." We understand Yoda and the way he responds to posts, well some of us lol, but if you want to impact many, it is going to have to be "dumb downed."
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