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Helps a lot, thanks Jim. "Catch the drop with your pivot" answers what would have been my follow-up question.

Martee, I understand what you're saying, I found the Els/zero shift debate during my searches on Lynn's forum. Like Jim referred to, I meant the Els and Toms-type downswings (pretty much straight down) from the TSP. I'm certainly not qualified to debate whether they're pure zero-shifts, but at least they seem pretty close. Thanks!