How about the pull of the clubshaft through impact? #2 is behind the shaft just like #3. After the uncocking of accumulator 2 and roll of accumulator 3. Is #2 helping sense not only the pull of the clubshaft through impact (swinging), but also any variations in the flat left wrist condition.
I think so, but my hands could be deceiving me.
Thanks,
Bagger
Bagger, I noticed that while I was practicing bunker shots, if I concentrated on PP#2, I would execute horizontal hinging better, and also finish swivel with a flat wrist. Would this be something for a swinger to translate to regular shots?
Bagger, I noticed that while I was practicing bunker shots, if I concentrated on PP#2, I would execute horizontal hinging better, and also finish swivel with a flat wrist. Would this be something for a swinger to translate to regular shots?
The first question that comes to mind is, how do you know you were horizontal hinging, and why were you doing it in a bunker?
It is certainly an option, I'm just curious about the evidence you were getting in the bunker.
My second reaction to the question is if you are getting better horizontal hinging and finish swivel while concentrating on pp #2, then by all means take it out of the bunker!
I'm still contemplating the role of the continued drag of pp#2 against the clubshaft through impact, into the follow through and finish. It certainly would seem to be one of the primary feedback mechanisms for keeping the hands ahead of the clubhead.
Well Bucket, I'm going to give this thread a run. Thanks rchang (Alex?) for thinking about the role of PP2 and getting me thinking some more.
Still discussing swinging for now. There are only two pressure points in the hands so their distinct roles have significant importance; #2 on the left and #3 on the right. There is a wealth of material on this forum regarding #3 so I won't go into it's role. The primary role of #2 is sensing the cocking and uncocking of the left wrist which provides the throwout action of the clubhead. But there has to be a secondary role for #2, that of monitoring the pull of momentum transfer through the left hand after release of the #2 accumulator.
Centrifugal Force alone can provide the uncocking motion, but as the left hand rolls into impact the feel of PP#2 should also sense the roll up into the fingers. It dawned on me that this would be very similar to the quarter turn roll feel of #3 at the end of the backswing. This isn't in the book and I've never heard it mentioned before, so I might be way off base.
I can imagine momentum transfer flowing from the #4 accumulator (the master accumulator) which is the left arm welded against the chest and the momentum of centrifigal force being transfered to #2 because it is the only other pressure point in a position to sense pull. #3 and #1 are sensing the change in inertia but are not in a position to do any direct pulling of the rope handle through impact. Only #4 and #2 are in a position to spin the flywheel and keep the primary lever ahead of the secondary lever.
I might have had too much yellow koolaid for breakfast this morning.
Well Bucket, I'm going to give this thread a run. Thanks rchang (Alex?) for thinking about the role of PP2 and getting me thinking some more.
Still discussing swinging for now. There are only two pressure points in the hands so their distinct roles have significant importance; #2 on the left and #3 on the right. There is a wealth of material on this forum regarding #3 so I won't go into it's role. The primary role of #2 is sensing the cocking and uncocking of the left wrist which provides the throwout action of the clubhead. But there has to be a secondary role for #2, that of monitoring the pull of momentum transfer through the left hand after release of the #2 accumulator.
Centrifugal Force alone can provide the uncocking motion, but as the left hand rolls into impact the feel of PP#2 should also sense the roll up into the fingers. It dawned on me that this would be very similar to the quarter turn roll feel of #3 at the end of the backswing. This isn't in the book and I've never heard it mentioned before, so I might be way off base.
I can imagine momentum transfer flowing from the #4 accumulator (the master accumulator) which is the left arm welded against the chest and the momentum of centrifigal force being transfered to #2 because it is the only other pressure point in a position to sense pull. #3 and #1 are sensing the change in inertia but are not in a position to do any direct pulling of the rope handle through impact. Only #4 and #2 are in a position to spin the flywheel and keep the primary lever ahead of the secondary lever.
I might have had too much yellow koolaid for breakfast this morning.
Sorry I haven't been able to lend any support on my question. My kid gave me some kind of puking flu. Zoinks!!!!
My thoughts about pp2 are that it has to monitor CLUBHEAD motion and not Clubface motion. PP2 would lead the Clubhead into the impact interval and also PP2 would monitor the uncocking velocity accumulator #2. NO?
The first question that comes to mind is, how do you know you were horizontal hinging, and why were you doing it in a bunker?
It is certainly an option, I'm just curious about the evidence you were getting in the bunker.
My second reaction to the question is if you are getting better horizontal hinging and finish swivel while concentrating on pp #2, then by all means take it out of the bunker!
I'm still contemplating the role of the continued drag of pp#2 against the clubshaft through impact, into the follow through and finish. It certainly would seem to be one of the primary feedback mechanisms for keeping the hands ahead of the clubhead.
My procedure for sand shots is to open the clubface then use a swinging procedure. Feeling the pulling of the left arm through impact. Kind of pulled that from Brian's bunker video. When I started doing some of those shots, the resistance of the sand really accentuated for me some of the impact conditions. So I started to just swing at the sand without the ball.
My procedure for sand shots is to open the clubface then use a swinging procedure. Feeling the pulling of the left arm through impact. Kind of pulled that from Brian's bunker video. When I started doing some of those shots, the resistance of the sand really accentuated for me some of the impact conditions. So I started to just swing at the sand without the ball.
Roger (not Alex )
Thanks Roger!
You just took me back to my lesson with Ben Doyle. He loves the sand for learning proper impact conditions and if you ever go see him, be prepared to spend time in the bunker, and it's not about sand shots. We have some Ben Doyle video in the Gallery you might enjoy. There are some great drills for the sand as well. You might want to search in the drills category.
Bucket,
I'm not considering that #2 has anything directly to do with the clubface alignment. Only in sensing lag through impact and beyond. As in keeping the clubhead trailing the left hand.
I can't feel the #2 Pressure Point until my Left Hand Cocks. It occurs near the end of the Backstroke. It seems to stem from the Clubshaft moving against the #3 PP which leverages the end of the grip against the last three fingers of my left hand. So, I guess I feel pressure from the bottom of the shaft and not the Aft side of the shaft. It seems difficult (not impossible) to feel this loading during a Pitch or Punch length shot.
Do others have this same feel?
Do Hitters feel pressure from the Aft Side of the Shaft because they Load the #3 PP against the Primary Lever?
Haven't seen this thread before you wake it up, Daryl. The intro by 12 pc is pure golfing poetry.
PP#2 is the life blood in my game, from t to green. If it's not alive and kicking at impact it is throwaway city, compression leak, flipping, missed putts, duffed chips and two shots in the bunker. PP#2 is to me the chief guardian of Homer's first big discovery: The flat left wrist. Also, it is the supervising monitor of rhythm and the leverage from accumulator #4. My left wrist always know how I'm doing.
I can lose pp#1 and pp#3 lag pressure big time and get away with it for quite a few holes. But if I loose pp#2 pressure I've got no game.
Even though pp#2 is protected by a glove, that's where I get the biggest golf blisters. The two middle fingers have one each, then there are two more in the palm of the hand, following the extension of the ring finger and yet another at the extension of the long finger. If I hit hundreds of balls on the, it's the left forearm - the muscles that powers pp#2 that gets the hardest workout. And the better I strike the ball the harder workout they get.
Hi, I'm ICT, a grateful owner of a left forearm and # 2 pp!
Originally Posted by BerntR
Haven't seen this thread before you wake it up, Daryl. The intro by 12 pc is pure golfing poetry.
PP#2 is the life blood in my game, from t to green. If it's not alive and kicking at impact it is throwaway city, compression leak, flipping, missed putts, duffed chips and two shots in the bunker. PP#2 is to me the chief guardian of Homer's first big discovery: The flat left wrist. Also, it is the supervising monitor of rhythm and the leverage from accumulator #4. My left wrist always know how I'm doing.
I can lose pp#1 and pp#3 lag pressure big time and get away with it for quite a few holes. But if I loose pp#2 pressure I've got no game.
Even though pp#2 is protected by a glove, that's where I get the biggest golf blisters. The two middle fingers have one each, then there are two more in the palm of the hand, following the extension of the ring finger and yet another at the extension of the long finger. If I hit hundreds of balls on the, it's the left forearm - the muscles that powers pp#2 that gets the hardest workout. And the better I strike the ball the harder workout they get.
Since experimenting with the Moe Norman tapes, I have become acutely aware of my left forearm and # 2 pp! When my head is stable (physically, not emotionally, though that helps, too), I count on # 2 pp to hold my flying wedges in place and make the ball go "wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" all the way to the hole!
Patrick
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