[ChrisNZ]

Thanks Yoda!

Here we go, Chris, in the order of your questions:
ng and 'folding' are independent concepts. Normally, they occur virtually simultaneously during Start Up -- again, as Extensor Action permits -- and are not mutually exclusive. However, as Miller Barber has amply demonstrated throughout his career, it is possible to delay Fanning and thereby maintain the Right Elbow On Plane -- and thus the Forearm On Plane -- for an extraordinary length of time.

Does Barber's stroke hint at the push basic stroke? It's one of my guilty secrets that I'm not really familiar with Barber's stroke except for knowing that it was famous for being loopy! If you don't fan straight away it must be push basic (or at least hinting at it), right?

Also, is it the case that as soon as the right elbow folds, for all intents and purposes the right forearm must be off plane. And in this case, does it mean that really the right forearm only traces the plane line for a very short interval in the backstroke?

3. In Start Up, Extensor Action assures that the Three-Dimensional -- Up, Back and In -- Right Forearm Takeaway will be as 'wide' as possible. In fact, this width is limited only by the 'leash' of the Left Arm's Checkrein Action and the aligments of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. The Right Elbow will move with this Motion and, of course, in its direction.

Is the right elbow's action 3 dimensional from start up? Or is it more of a sideways only motion to begin with?

Thanks again for your help.

Chris