LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Pivot - Active or Passive Thread: Pivot - Active or Passive View Single Post #9 02-22-2006, 07:39 PM Mike O Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oceanside CA Posts: 1,398 Hand Controlled Pivot? Originally Posted by tongzilla Moving on... I find it surprising (and irritating) that there are some extremely good players using Pivot Controlled Hands. Now, I haven't mastered the art of seeing whether someone is using Pivot Controlled Hands or not, but can you please share your thoughts on who you think some of these players are on Tour? I'd say that visually, that it could be a little dicey determining if someone was hand controlled pivot or not. You never know what individual or series of movements in one's golf movement they have made automatic. That is you could be priimarily aware of just moving your hands and you may automatically with that thought and awareness have integrated a full shoulder turn with little independent arm motion- looks pivot controlled but is hand controlled. The basic distinction here is - Are you primarily (not completely)-( i.e. not blocking out the body feel, awareness- or preventing it by not moving it) focusing on where and what the hands are doing- as they tell you what the club is doing, while having the body fully support that movement in both a geometric sense and also a physics sense - or Are you focusing on what the body is doing and the hands and club are somewhere in the background - doing something- who knows exactly. In the Hand Controlled Procedure- you start and stay with the basic concept and then work on having the body movement fully support that- it's a project completed over time. In the Pivot Controlled Procedure- it's a dead end in that - it is what you focus on- it is your procedure- you don't really build on it. Back to the question- and an answer. You could also have someone that is pivot controlled on the backswing and hand-controlled on the downswing. You could have a player drift in and out of a hand controlled procedure and then not realizing all the issues- drift into a pivot controlled procedure. With all of that said- Generally speaking or in theory the rofessional golf movements that have the quiet pivots, the supporting pivots, the efficient looking pivots- are hand controlled and the other ones are not. Again, you could have a beginner with a hand controlled pivot- that has a golf movement that is completely ungolf like- that doesn't support the on-plane motion of the club or the hands. Hand control doesn't do anything magically by itself- it's more like the christmas tree- you've got to have it in order to hang ornaments- it's the basic. I'd say someone like Mark Calcavechia looks like a pivot controlled procedure. But it's not so important who is or who isn't- it all comes down to the most important approach- and that's "WHAT AM I DOING AND IS IT THE BEST THING I CAN DO TO EVENTUALLY SHOOT LOWER SCORES FOR MYSELF!" Last edited by Mike O : 02-22-2006 at 07:43 PM. Mike O View Public Profile Send a private message to Mike O Find all posts by Mike O