Sorry for the temporary hijack of this 'One Piece' thread, but I couldn't help myself. Plate #45 above may the all-time great model for a correct Start Down. The Sweetspot, the Clubface, the Clubshaft, the Hands and the Flat Left Wrist, the Right Shoulder all aligned perfectly with the Baseline of the Inclined Plane. And the Right Forearm Flying Wedge is supporting that Action beautifully. It just doesn't get any better than this.
Thanks for posting, Colonel!
yoda, i see the bold 'start down' statement. do you mean it should be this way at end of backswing? or something else? especially seeing he is still on his backswing...i understand the geometric relationships that this 'position' would be perfect up AND down, is that what you are saying?
Last edited by powerdraw : 02-24-2006 at 05:56 PM.
yoda, i see the bold 'start down' statement. do you mean it should be this way at end of backswing? or something else? especially seeing he is still on his backswing...i understand the geometric relationships that this 'position' would be perfect up AND down, is that what you are saying?
I think Yoda's statement was misapplied to the plate number. Check out the 2nd Smaller Swing Sequence from the down the line view. Look at the "transition" from the Top to Start Down. Then re-read the post. Yoda was referencing Start Down not Top. Take away the first picture here . . . and you may mistake him for Hogan.
yoda, i see the bold 'start down' statement. do you mean it should be this way at end of backswing? or something else? especially seeing he is still on his backswing...i understand the geometric relationships that this 'position' would be perfect up AND down, is that what you are saying?
Originally Posted by 12piece
I think Yoda's statement was misapplied to the plate number.
Powerdraw and Colonel 12 Piece,
Have ye no faith in 'ol Yoda?
What I said was that Plate 45 is a model Start Down, and that is exactly what I meant. Clearly, it is a Start Down with the leading Downstroke Body Turn having already Loaded the Power Package Lag. It is not a Backswing, despite the label erroneously applied by the editor and the accompanying analysis by, presumably, the author. As proof, compare the left thigh pant creases in Plate 43 ("Start of the Backswing") with those of Plate 45. As they do in other sequences in the book, the creases should have become more 'slack' as the Hip Turn increased and the Knee moved further into the Backstroke. Instead, the creases were stretched out in Plate 45 by the leading Hips and Left Leg in the Downstroke. [These photos are not of the same Stroke but the principle is the same.]
Colonel, please scan in Plate 35. That is a Backswing photo. Then, put Plates 35 and 45 side-by-side in comparison mode. The Top (long iron) and the Start Down (mid-iron) will be obvious.
Also scan in Plate 37, which is a front view of this exact alignment. Here the Hands similarly have already re-traced from the End of the Stroke to the Top (Hands Right Shoulder High and On Plane). It is with a long iron, but the comparison is still relevant. Especially with regards to the Pivot Lag -- Hips leading Shoulders and the Loaded Power Package in the Downstroke.
By the way, how about that Ball Boy out in the distance (just under Byron's forehead)? A forgotten part of the Game. I used to love watching the legends at Augusta -- Snead, Hogan, Demaret and Nelson -- firing directly at their caddies. In the case of that group, the caddies deserved Hazardous Duty Pay!
Colonel, please scan in Plate 35. That is a Backswing photo. Then, put Plates 35 and 45 side-by-side in comparison mode. The Top (long iron) and the Start Down (mid-iron) will be obvious.
Also scan in Plate 37, which is a front view of this exact alignment. Here the Hands similarly have already re-traced from the End of the Stroke to the Top (Hands Right Shoulder High and On Plane). It is with a long iron, but the comparison is still relevant. Especially with regards to the Pivot Lag -- Hips leading Shoulders and the Loaded Power Package in the Downstroke.
I ain't steppin' in a Green hornet's nest . . . my mama didn't raise no fool . . . well maybe she did.
I skipped my nap at work to post these bad boys. Ain't got no scanner at home and left the book at work. So you'll have to wait until Monday. I would agree with your analysis of the pic though. The other sequence shows the same thing right?
How 'bout this though Cap. . . . Check out Iron B's hands and the plane shift in the sequence with the Hogan brim compared to Plate 45. We are seeing a 10-7-G Reverse Loop Shift here, which we don't see in Plate 45, right? Also, chould you comment on the patented Byron Knee Sag (Double Anchor) through ball?
I'll get it up . . . on Monday when I'm on The Man's time.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 02-24-2006 at 11:03 PM.
A Start Down By Any Other Name Is Still A Start Down
Originally Posted by mcflog
I'm confused plate 45 is backswing are you saying that even though its backswing, thats what start down should look like???
The photo has been mislabeled by the editors, mcflog. It is not a Backswing photo. It is a Start Down photo.
View Stroke sequences critically: Such an error is not as rare as you might think. Also, it is not unusual for one Sequence to be constructed from two or more Strokes.
. . . on Monday when I'm on The Man's time.
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