[Mike O]

Thanks for the replies but I am even more confused now

Particularly when I looked at one of Ben Doyle's student's site , to try and get an understanding of this, (the student is an AI and he wrote)

CHIP
The first shot that one starts with is a ‘chip’. The chip is comprised of the following dynamic principles:

• A small swing with a slight pivot from the shoulder turn. Hands stay aligned with a flat left wrist and bent right wrist.

• All balls are positioned under the left shoulder or near the left toe.

• Hold your finish and verify your hand alignments - you must be able to see the same flat left wrist and bent right wrist that you had at address.

What happened to "Zero out the pivot". It seems, to my novice mind, that either TGM is not to be read literally or that Mr Kelly's instruction has been amended somewhere.

"What happened to "Zero out the pivot". It seems, to my novice mind, that either TGM is not to be read literally or that Mr Kelly's instruction has been amended somewhere."

All of the above! TGM- for a chip shot allows for all or any of it- your choice- just KNOW what you're doing! Mr. Kelley would lean towards his basic motion chip shot- due to the reduced accumulators and the concept "never move anything further or farther than necessary"- for economy and simplicity of the movement. But TGM would allow for the chip shot movement with the pivot motion that you described.

Mr. Doyle has been one of the most, if not thee most avid supporter/promoter/advertisers of TGM throughout the years- however, on the wider procedural level, his approach has always been much more pivot focused, as Mr. Kelley's approach was much more hand and alignment focused.