Magic Of The Right Forearm / Elbow Action

[Yoda]

Yoda,
What about about the alignment of the right shoulder and right forearm at address. Better said the tilt of the right shoulder in alignment with the right forearm...with the right hand naturally lower than the left hand at address...the right shoulder should tilt in alignment with right forearm...I guess my question is? Does Homer mention something like this in the book, right know I don't have the time to research it!!!!

The AI that I'm working with said I need to tilt my right shoulder a bit??? Then I thought to myself....self??? ...tilt my shoulders to the right? By what degree?....then I looked down at the my right forearm and it seemed to make logical sense that the right shoulder should tilt naturally in alignment with the right forearm as the right hand is put on the club at address....hey...an alignment instead of just a position!!!!!!! Now we're getting somewhere!!!
Range Rat

As I wrote on a post earlier today -- or was it yesterday? -- the Right Forearm On Plane at Impact is due to the Right Shoulder being On Plane. This, in turn, is due to the Hip Shift and Axis Tilt at Start Down. So, the On Plane Right Forearm and the Impact degree of Right Elbow Bend is dependent upon the Impact Location of the Hip and Spine. Any attempt to recreate the On Plane Right Forearm and Fix degree of Right Elbow Bend without the accompanying Hip Shift (and Axis Tilt) tends to create contortive (and even 'un-golflike') alignments at Adjusted Address.

So, if you're going to 'tilt' your Axis at Address, do it via the very slight -- but nevertheless required -- Hip Shift, not through an artificial lowering of the Right Shoulder. And when you Shift (and probably slightly Turn) your Hips, leave your Head directly between your Feet. In other words, do not 'lean' to the right or otherwise attempt to get 'behind the Ball.'

Head Location is independent of Ball Location. With your Head Centered between your Feet, you're already 'behind' the Ball. Or 'in front' of the Ball. Or 'even with' the Ball. Now stay there and do the really important thing: Keep the Clubhead behind The Hands.

It's God's Plan.

[Yoda]

I'm a TGM newbie, but I've been lurking around here and the Chuck Evans forum for a few weeks. I'm starting to get excited about all this, because I find that the more time I put into the book and the forums the more clear it all becomes. What a surprise.

This morning I was reading the book and browsing the forums and ran across a post that said, if I understood it correctly, that the right elbow should bend immediately in the takeaway, so that the forearm moves up very early in the swing. I made a note to try it at the range.

When I bent the elbow so that the forearm went vertical, leaving the elbow basically unmoved (horizontally) in relation to my right side, everything changed. The club got on plane. All the power I generated began to flow down the target line, rather than out and around. My hips began to clear instead of getting in the way of my right elbow on the way down. I could swing as hard as I wanted and it felt like all the power was being channeled straight down the line into and through the ball.

I've got a long way to go, but I really feel like I've crossed a big hurdle. If I'm off track with any of this, please let me know.

Oh, and I finally figured out what the Law of the Flail means. What I'm figuring out more and more is that Homer didn't write things lightly. You have to slow down, read carefully, and think about every sentence.

Welcome Aboard, sdbyrd,

Wonderful stuff!

You will find that everything in TGM you understand -- and correctly execute -- works. And it will keep working! You will hit plateaus, of course, but only as preparation for your 'next' level. I know this for a fact.

I've been at it some 25 years now, and I'm more excited than ever!

[Yoda]

If the left wrist is flat level and vertical, and the right wrist is bent level and vertical at impact fix, is the cocking of the left wrist solely due to the bending of the right elbow, maintaining the right wrist in the same bent, level and vertical position that it was at impact fix?

For Hitters -- that would be you, JG33! -- the Right Elbow does indeed Cock the Left Wrist as it Bends and Fans in the Backstroke. But remember, the Hitter's Left Wrist Action to The Top is essentially Angled Hinge Action (10-18-C-2). So, while the Right Wrist retains its Bent (Horizontal Grip Motion) and Level (Vertical Wrist Motion) Impact Fix alignments, it continuously Turns (Rotational Hand Motion) from Start Up to The Top. Study 4-0.

The Golfing Machine. Gotta love it!

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Originally Posted by ms1170 Yoda, Thank you for your wonderful posts. You make TGM a lot easier to understand, but I am confused about the Right hand position in this exercise. My problem is I don't see how it is possible to hold the dowel a foot from the end with a vertical (4-C-1) wrist on the table top.. Also wouldn't your hand have to be palm down or "rolled (4-C-3) to have the dowel parallel to the table top? Thanks again for your help. Mike Mike, Like this!

Yoda,
In holding the right arm and shaft on the same plane - I have a question. In the next post on this thread, you state the following:

Originally Posted by Yoda

Now stand up, keeping your On Plane Right Arm Flying Wedge Intact and on a Horizontal Plane. Shift your Body into its Impact Fix Alignments. Keeping your Right Forearm Flying Wedge intact -- that means Right Wrist Bent and dowel parallel to the floor (or ground) -- move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Backstroke by Bending your Right Elbow. From there, move the Club into an On Horizontal Plane Downstroke STRAIGHTENING YOUR RIGHT ARM WHILE KEEPING YOUR WRIST BENT. Do this over and over and over and over and over. Look, Look LOOK to make sure there is ABSOLUTELY NO FLATTENING OF THE RIGHT WRIST!!! IT MUST REMAIN IN ITS BENT AND LEVEL CONDITION. Then drop your Right Forearm Flying Wedge onto the Inclined Plane and REPEAT THE EXACT SAME MOTION. Do this over and over and over and over and over. Bend the Right Elbow. Straighten the Right Elbow. Keeping the Right Wrist Bent. Alternate back and forth between Horizontal Plane practice and Inclined Plane Practice. Listen to the dowel Swish as you Straighten the Right Elbow. Do this every day until further notice.

My question is this. If, at impact fix, this alignment is established - for practice purposes - how far back into the stroke would you maintain it? (meaning, not necessarily the bent right wrist condition, but the onplane forearm and shaft as depicted on the table - laying on the same plane) I am guessing into the backstroke but not sure about the top.

1. For Swinging
2. For hitting

Anyone else, I would like to hear your input as well.

Thanks,
Patrick

Good question, Patrick, and Homer specifically addressed it in his additions slated for the as-yet-unpublished 7th Edition:

4-D-1, paragraph 1, last line -- after "(2-K)" insert:

"But, remember that there is normally a point where Backstroke Shoulder and Wrist Motions make it difficult or even impossible to keep the Flat Left Wrist vertical to its Plane or the Right Forearm on its Plane without producing a non-golfing and Off Plane Clubshaft position or motion which is intolerable per 2-F and 3-F-6 for thinking players (1-G)."

And there -- from The Man himself -- you have it!

[Yoda]

fdb2, I have agreed it is not a perfect single axis. I would still call it a
single axis, and when I tried to be more accurate and said
"basically" a single axis, my critics thought that was just a
terrible thing.


How hot is it in Arizona? "101 degrees, sir." "What? That ain't
hot, hot is when water boils."


"Ok, turn your air conditioner off then, smart guy."

SuperDave,

You have agreed to 'no Single Axis' only under the duress of Truth as
professed by your 'critics.'

Bottom Line:

On Plane is On Plane.

Off Plane is Off Plane.

During the Release Interval, the Right Forearm is On Plane.

The Left Arm is not.

For the record, these are Facts, not Opinions.

As far as Phoenix Weather goes, here are the current conditions:

- Wind from the NE (050 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT)
- Visibility 10 mile(s)
- Sky conditions mostly cloudy
- Temperature 93.9 F (34.4 C)
- Dew Point 50.0 F (10.0 C)
- Relative Humidity 22%
- Pressure (altimeter) 29.86 in. Hg (1011 hPa)
- Pressure tendency 0.01 inches (0.2 hPa) higher than three hours ago

And so it goes.

[Yoda]

Every lesson with Yoda causes a few days of frustration and even doubt in his
effectiveness until, with perserverence, I emerge out the other side of the
rabbit hole and have a new understanding of an element of the machine that we
did't even discuss.
My last lesson with him focused on my right arm action. I have engrained a
habit of not fanning the right arm due to keeping the clubface too shut. He
wanted me to fan the forearm with what felt like a choppy, lifting motion,
feeling the clubface was opening up way too much. Anywho, I did notice that I
could throw the right arm more in the downswing, as opposed to either opening
it in the downswing or holding off for dear life to not hook it off the
planet.


Throught the back door, this made me realize my hands and arms were not doing
enough up and down. they were going more side to side. My new swing feels
like I am chopping down on a stump or like I am trying to bang the sole of
the club into the ground.

A Three-Dimensional Impact (2-C-0) -- Downward (Attack Angle) and
Outward (Plane Angle) and Forward (Approach Angle) -- requires a Three
Dimensional Backstroke (2-F), i.e., the Club moves Upward, Backward and
Inward -- On Plane -- instantly and simultaneously. This
requires a Three Dimensional Right Forearm and Elbow Motion (2-N-0 and
7-3).

If the 'describable sensation' of this Precision Mechanic (1-J and 3-B) 'Feels'
"Lifting" and "Chopping" (compared with the Prior Total
Motion Feel) then that is the Feel to incorporate into your basic procedure
(Chapter 14). But be sure to look, LOOK, LOOK and make sure you are
getting the Mechanic right. Otherwise, you will be incorporating into your
Stroke the Feel of an incorrect Mechanic.

The change in one Component will almost always affect its relationship with
others. Therefore, one can expect the need to 'tighten tolerances' within the
Total Motion to be the natural byproduct of continuing progress. Here, a
continuing relationship with a competent Authorized Instructor can make the
transition from 'Can't' to 'Can' as painless and seamless as
possible. Even so, at the end of the day, the Instructor can only inform and
explain...


It is the Student who must absorb and apply.

[Yoda]

If the backswing is significantly improved by the magic of the right forearm
pick-up, what is the equally important forward swing movement that
significantly improves forward swing motion....????

The Magic of the Right Forearm (7-3) does not end with the Right
Forearm Takeaway. Unlike the disruptive Shoulder Turn Takeaway -- which
keeps the Clubhead too 'low' and thus necessitates a Single Shift (10-7-B) to
achieve a Turned Shoulder Plane -- the Right Forearm Pick Up takes the
Club instantly and simultaneously Up, In and Back with Zero
Shift (10-7-A) on a Turned Shoulder Plane (10-6-B). This Three Dimensional
Start Up (2-F) parallels the Three Dimensional Impact -- Downward
(Attack Angle), Outward (Plane Angle) and Forward (Approach Angle) [2-C-0] --
that is so necessary for Maximum Compression.

This geometrically correct Start Up is the best way to assure that you arrive
at the Top with minimal adjustment required with regards to the Plane Line,
Lag Loading and Right Forearm Position (12-3 / Section 6 / #19-#23). Then,
you have only to return the Right Forearm precisely to its own Angle of
Approach (7-3) as established at Impact Fix (8-8 ).

This assures the Downward element so often missing from the Impacts of
even the best players. It thereby eliminates the Clubface 'Wobble' (and Lost
Compression) that occurs during Impacts where the Clubhead comes in too low
and Laying Back.

"As it goes back, so it tends to come down."

The Magic of the Right Forearm -- in both directions -- is the open
door to your Best Golf.

[Yoda]

If the backswing is significantly improved by the magic of the right forearm
pick-up, what is the equally important forward swing movement that
significantly improves forward swing motion....????

...... Then, you have only to return the Right Forearm precisely to its
own Angle of Approach (7-3) as established at Impact Fix (8-.

..............

The Magic of the Right Forearm -- in both directions -- is the open
door to your Best Golf.








Question...on the backswing your right forearm delivers the club on plane to
the top of swing position....What or how do you deliver the right forearm on
the forward swing when using a swinger's action (not a hitter's action)? Does
the pulling by the left side deliver the right forearm?, the pivot (I hope
not, I dont get how the pivot delivers the arms and club), or the right
forearm itself? If its the right forearm, it would not seem like a swinger's
action.


Thanks






For a given Delivery Line, the Geometry of the Right Forearm Motion is
identical for both Hitters and Swingers. Only the Physics differs
(Preface and 2-M-1). The Hitter's Active Right Forearm is Driven into
its Impact Fix alignment by Muscular Thrust per 6-B-1-A (Right Triceps Drive).
The Swinger's Passive Right Forearm is Thrown into its Impact
alignment by Centrifugal Force per 6-B-4-A (Right Shoulder Turn
Thrust).