LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - 6-M-1Downstroke Sequence Thread: 6-M-1Downstroke Sequence View Single Post #1 04-27-2006, 04:04 PM Yoda Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 10,681 Sequence out of sequence BM#63 Originally Posted by MizunoJoe I did NOT say that Sergio is using the swing procedure which I descibed above. I AM saying that Sergio does not "crank the gyroscope". The causal move in his swing is not a driving downplane of his right shoulder, which is obvious from the video. Just as Glasson's causal move is something different also. His casual move is, IN HIS OWN WORDS, a pulling up of the left shoulder. That is not an EFFECT as you claim. Were the causal move a driving downplane of the right shoulder, he would have been aware of it and said so! Gary Player also says his first downswing move is a pulling up of the left shoulder. My comment that Sergio is an "X-Classification" honoree is not that he is doing exactly as I described in my own procedure, but rather that he isn't doing as you say must be done for swinging - cranking the gyroscope. So there are two more members of the X-Rated club, in addition to Sergio. Here's another - T Woods of 1996. When asked to describe what his upper body did on the downswing, he said, "My hands drop", not "I drive my right shoulder downplane". He coiled fully, moving off the ball, and then drove hard laterally back to the ball, while his hands fell and his right shoulder stayed back, and he then violently rotated his hips, which triggered the shoulder rotation. The thing that jumped out at me as I saw this swing up close, was the left shoulder dominance - high at address and very active(pulling up through impact). My statement was, 'your "4th imperative"', indicating YOUR requirement that all swingers must drive the right shoulder downplane. I accept Homer's prescription of only 3 imperatives. A valid swinging procedure is ANYTHING you want to do as long as the club is moved ONLY by a force along the shaft AND obeys the 3 imperatives. MizunoJoe, I have read with admiration many of your posts. You are a seeker who obviously understands far more than most the intricacies of the Golf Stroke. In all sincerity, I commend you to your continued study. On this issue, though, you are not seeing what you obviously think you see. The Start Down and Downstroke of the world's most talented players highlights the never-ending mission of Centrifugal Force: Pull all the Components of the Golf Stroke into a Straight Line. You are mistaking the noisy 'collateral activity' for the 'real deal.' I know you have not recommended Sergio's Pattern as a model. However, for those who may think that the posting of his video constitutes your endorsement, I urge them to adopt a Pattern that minimizes the need to compensate for the many conflicting forces that even the world's most talented players can (and do) generate in their Strokes. __________________ Yoda Yoda View Public Profile Send a private message to Yoda Visit Yoda's homepage! Find all posts by Yoda