swinging question? shoulder?

[landshark]

been reading and viewing pieces on swinging and have a question regarding the shoulders. ed-z's drill on the whip is good, but i don't understand if i should rotate starting with the left shoulder or the right? if the left, how does the right shoulder go low and down plane to the ball? if the swinging motion is like a flywheel, i would think it would concern mostly the right. one more thing: should i work on this more than just trying to get the hips to initiate as doyle seems to advocate in his lessons? thanks for any clarification.

[tongzilla]

Thrust it with the right shoulder, feel the resulting pressure with the left shoulder (Pressure Point #4).

The hips does initiate the Downstroke with an "instant acceleration" (10-19-C). Whether you should work on it or not is a different matter.

[landshark]

thanks for the reply. if thrusting with the right shoulder, would that initiate the pivot as well? i'm getting close, just need a little clarification. the video segments are good.

[bts]

been reading and viewing pieces on swinging and have a question regarding the shoulders. ed-z's drill on the whip is good, but i don't understand if i should rotate starting with the left shoulder or the right? if the left, how does the right shoulder go low and down plane to the ball?

Neither. The intend of "loading and sustaining the lag" generates the resistance holding the turning houlders "on-plane" (the right goes low and the left high).

[bts]

Thrust it with the right shoulder, feel the resulting pressure with the left shoulder (Pressure Point #4).

The hips does initiate the Downstroke with an "instant acceleration" (10-19-C). Whether you should work on it or not is a different matter.

I believe the initial motion of the hips is supposed to initiated by the intention of moving the lagged club with the hands-"hands/lag-controlled pivot".

[tongzilla]

I believe the initial motion of the hips is supposed to initiated by the intention of moving the lagged club with the hands-"hands/lag-controlled pivot".

You are absolutely right.

But Monitoring (5-0) the Pivot (Pivot Controlled Hands) during learning (3-D) is a good way to incorporate the above into one's swing. Once the desired Pivot components are mastered, you go back to the Hands Controlled Pivot procedure.

[tongzilla]

thanks for the reply. if thrusting with the right shoulder, would that initiate the pivot as well? i'm getting close, just need a little clarification. the video segments are good.

What actually happens is that the Feet starts the Downstroke (study last sentence in both 7-17 and 6-B-0) then the knees, and then the hips,..., then the right shoulder, etc. to give the Stroke maximum Swing Radius.

But from a procedural point of view (i.e. what you actually think about when hitting a ball), this may not be ideal. You should probably feel the Right Shoulder thrusting down Plane (which loads Pressure Point #4) happening at the same time as the Hip Slide.