Speed Training w/ Speedchain

[Yoda]

Just food for thought

Great post, Dave. Thanks!

[Mike O]

Fred couple Tempo is as fast as the best of them he just swings so smoothly it looks slow.


Well I know this information will not satisfy most of the people but then tell me why Tiger Woods and VJ singh hit the ball about the same distance and the pivot speed of Woods is much faster than Vj's.

Dave

Dave,
I'm always looking for additonal scientific information on the golf swing. Where can I find information on Fred Couples tempo and other PGA tour player's tempo measurements.

Also, where did you find measurements on pivot speed for the tour pros?

Thanks in advance!
Mike O.

[davel]

The Tempos for most of the better players is in the book called Tour Tempo. The author John Novell of the book is the inventor of the xlr8r club. Fred Couples and many others are in there. Some of the numbers are suprising. For example Greg Norman looks much faster than Ernie Ells yet Ernie is faster than Greg.The work he did was with Ben Jackson who he does acknowledge. Ben Jackson gave me the 2 mph hip speed. I do not know where he obtained this information. I would guess using high speed film you could figure it out .

The book is interesting in that many professional players when working on the range say they are working on their timing and tempo but they could not describe what they meant and only a few were using metronomes. So he studied videos and found out the pga pros tempo tended to be much faster than average amateurs. He also found that the pros downswing time was 3 times their backswing times. He looked at filmed footage and could correlate some bad shots when either the players overall time or the 3 to 1 ratio was not followed. He has helped many amateurs improve by just having them work on increasing their overall tempo and get that 3 to 1 beat. John Novell has a scientific background but he acknowledges that the facts that back up his claims is the studies of the numerous good and not so good players that he has measured. For $3000 you can get a lesson from Novell in the state of Kansas.

Dave

[Mike O]

The Tempos for most of the better players is in the book called Tour Tempo. The author John Novell of the book is the inventor of the xlr8r club. Fred Couples and many others are in there. Some of the numbers are suprising. For example Greg Norman looks much faster than Ernie Ells yet Ernie is faster than Greg.The work he did was with Ben Jackson who he does acknowledge. Ben Jackson gave me the 2 mph hip speed. I do not know where he obtained this information. I would guess using high speed film you could figure it out .

The book is interesting in that many professional players when working on the range say they are working on their timing and tempo but they could not describe what they meant and only a few were using metronomes. So he studied videos and found out the pga pros tempo tended to be much faster than average amateurs. He also found that the pros downswing time was 3 times their backswing times. He looked at filmed footage and could correlate some bad shots when either the players overall time or the 3 to 1 ratio was not followed. He has helped many amateurs improve by just having them work on increasing their overall tempo and get that 3 to 1 beat. John Novell has a scientific background but he acknowledges that the facts that back up his claims is the studies of the numerous good and not so good players that he has measured. For $3000 you can get a lesson from Novell in the state of Kansas.

Dave

Thanks Dave- I'll check out the book. Does it cover in there - Tigers faster pivot versus Vj's?

P.S. That lesson price sounds like a good deal. I'm currently charging $15,000 for a 1/2 day lesson and Bucket's charging $500,000 for an hour lesson. PM Bucket to check on his availability.

[davel]

Mike

The book itself does not refer very much to mechanics so shoulder etc . is left to conventional instruction. They only cover the y or triangle of the swing for chipping , pitching and the full swing and the definition of wrist cock. The assumption is you have some fundamentals and now its time to let loose of all the various million and one tips and postions and just let it go if you want to hit it furthur.

Ben Jackson who collaborated on the study is a seasoned instructor and he knows golf mechanics and the body involvement and he is the one who can work both on swing improvements and speed at the same time. He clearly believes that the speed come from the arms and hands. If your lucky you might be able to give him a call and you could ask him why he can tell you why that is true. His website is benjacksongolf. He is a very terse trust me I know what I am talking about kind of guy. I know if you say you will try to do something he will say you will not succeed. You must say you will do it!! A very motivating gentlemen.

As for golf instruction rates even though I have a authorized hackers license and can miss more balls than you can hit at half the distance my rate is priceless!!! Give me a minute and it will take you years to get your swing back with a money back guarantee.

Have fun

Dave

[300Drive]

I have been using a long heavy rope, instead of the speedchain, for my speed training. Same movements as with the speedchain. It's the very think rope, that you can hang from the rafters and climb up to the ceiling.

I do 5 to 10 "swings", anywhere from 5 to 10 sets. Great way to "stablize" the lower body and fire the upper pivot, arms, etc. What has it improved the most, my balance through all shots. I have always had "crazy legs" and left leg slides. Now I can fire away, hold balance and really have the feeling of using the ground for leverage through the shot, far more than ever. Great tool. I use it at the gym I belong to.

[YodasLuke]

Thanks Dave- I'll check out the book. Does it cover in there - Tigers faster pivot versus Vj's?

P.S. That lesson price sounds like a good deal. I'm currently charging $15,000 for a 1/2 day lesson and Bucket's charging $500,000 for an hour lesson. PM Bucket to check on his availability.

I'm charging the same as Bucket, but I'm booked until December 14th.

[innercityteacher]

I'm charging the same as Bucket, but I'm booked until December 14th.

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