[Jeff]

Bagger - thanks for referring me to that video. I enjoyed it. However, it still doesn't help me understand the difference between loading in swinging versus hitting. I can understand why Yoda states that the swinger loads against the top of the shaft with his PP3 when he eventually gets to the end position. However, what happens if a swinger decides to limit his backstroke to the top position (hands opposite the right shoulder like a hitter) because he cannot get a full shoulder turn. Then his PP3 position could be said to be behind the shaft - like a hitter. In that situation, I cannot understand the difference between a swinger (who has limited his backstroke to the top position and doesn't get to the end position) and hitter. It would seem to me that the PP3 point (established when gripping the club at address) aways contacts the shaft at the same point in a swinger, but it is called "under" the shaft or "behind" the shaft depending on where the clubshaft is located in space. However, a different semantic label doesn't necessarily imply different biomechanical loading actions in a swinger versus hitter - or does it?

Jeff.