[tincup2004]

ON short shots chipping or pitching, I have read both of the following set ups. "keep the ball between the elbow and the wrist'. 'keep the hand between the ball and the elbow'. A bit difficult to do both at the same time It does seem to me that keeping the hand between the ball and the elbow the shaft would be leaning backwards or the ball must be way forward in stance.... Please clarify or help me in my misunderstanding.

Are you referring to 10-3-C ? There's a perfect picture in the book demonstrating the set up you describe. If you dont have the book then try placing your right hand on your right hip with elbow flared out. Now move your hand to in front of your right hip with the elbow still flared out. This should be the backstroke position of 10-3-C Push stroke. If you draw a line from the elbow,down the foream, to the hand, to the ball, you can see how it is possible to "keep the hand between the ball and the elbow".