[cometgolfer]

I am curious how you had to go "outside the book" in order to fix the problem? Over plane and under plane have the same problem, they are both off plane.

Someone once asked Chuck Cook what was new in golf instruction and he replied, "nothing. I am still teaching hookers how to slice and slicers how to hook." I have used the same philosophy many times, if someone is under plane, then I have them "feel" like they are hitting pull-fades. Sticking a dowel in the ground 6-10 feet in front of them on the target line and having them start it to the left of it with a square stance has also helped.

Ultimately you have to get the student to make a different motion than that which they are accustomed to, both from a feel and geometrical standpoint.

Gnome,

I probably mis-stated the issue regarding departure from the "geometry" of TGM. It's really a departure from the feel of the "physics". In other words, my focus seems to have to be on the left hand moving "steep and left" in an attempt to get the clubhead/shaft planed. Focusing on pp#3 and the right shoulder weren't working for me.

I agree..... off-plane is off-plane. I think I had simply slipped into relying on the book to tell me "how to fix" a bad start down. Although it IS "in the book", it's not there in a "here are a few quick tips on how to correct being under-plane" sense...... and I know better.

Homer was very clear about "feel vs real" and that is the issue in my case. I'm sure swinging on plane feels just as "wierd" for a good player who is normally under-plane as it does to the 24 hdcp who is used to being OTT.

CG