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Yeah, I am aware of the droop deal. also that hitting off a tee (although doesn't this tend to flatten the plane and accentuate the uprightness of the club?)tends to negate the importance of the lie. As well as the lower loft. I am not looking for a magic bullet equipment wise. I have come to believe that the toughest task for me in golf is to aim the club face correctly. Understanding ideal impact alignments, low point geometry, the value of impact fix has helped significantly. For me it is all about tracing a straight line in relation to the clubface. I seldom try to hit it straight so there has to a divergence of some kind. I rigged a laser deal to determine where my club face is aiming at fix (ideally slightly right/open of square for me) With an upright lie driver (60* I believe) designed with a slightly closed clubface it is tough to set up sufficiently open without raising my left hand into an almost uncocked position. It may just be a matter of shortening my driver by an inch or so. I will report back!