Manipulated-hands Swinger

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Originally Posted by powerdraw ...what are the downfalls of manipulated hands swing? There is no downside to Manipulated Hands Swinging. In fact, Homer Kelley specifically discouraged True Swinging due to the terrific problem of Ball Location.

Are we, therefore, saying that any hand manipulation is best done at address as opposed to during the actual swinging process?

Hand Manipulation is accomplished at Impact Fix with the Hands Location established per 7-8 and with the Clubface aligned per 2-J-1. The Feel of the selected Stroke Pattern (Total Motion) is then rehearsed in the Adjusted Address Routine of 3-F-5 -- Practice Swing, Waggle and Forward Press.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Burner

Originally Posted by Yoda Originally Posted by powerdraw ...what are the downfalls of manipulated hands swing? There is no downside to Manipulated Hands Swinging. In fact, Homer Kelley specifically discouraged True Swinging due to the terrific problem of Ball Location. Are we, therefore, saying that any hand manipulation is best done at address as opposed to during the actual swinging process?

Hand Manipulation is accomplished at Impact Fix with the Hands Location established per 7-8 and with the Clubface aligned per 2-J-1. The Feel of the selected Stroke Pattern (Total Motion) is then rehearsed in the Adjusted Address Routine of 3-F-5.

Thank you.

Demisting accomplished.

[Yoda]

Yoda,

Can you give us examples in the book where Homer talks about "Hand Manipulated Swingers".....page numbers would be great!!!

Thanks,

DG

For Directional Factors, see 7-2, paragraph one, page 92. Beginning with sixth line ("For Swingers...") to the end of the paragraph. For Distance Factors, see also 6-N-0-1, page 88, and 6-R-0 (second paragraph), page 89.

[Anonymous]

Thanks....

DG

[drewitgolf]

Yoda,

When moving from "True Swinger" to "Hand Manipulated Swinger" using angled hinging, the release motions become simulateous rather then sequenced?

[Yoda]

Yoda,

When moving from "True Swinger" to "Hand Manipulated Swinger" using angled hinging, do the release motions become simulateous rather then sequenced?

Excellent question, Drew.

The Manipulated Hands Swinger using Angled Hinging does override the natural tendency of Centrifugal Force to align the Clubface for Horizontal Hinging. However, Centrifugal Force continues to align the Clubshaft, and the Release Motions remain sequenced.

[powerdraw]

i'd like to learn more about how we do manipulate it at setup and address...for desired shot. can we go into detail here?

i thought it was manipulated through release not at setup....hhmmm...
more more more please!

[tongzilla]

Originally Posted by Burner

Originally Posted by Yoda Originally Posted by powerdraw ...what are the downfalls of manipulated hands swing? There is no downside to Manipulated Hands Swinging. In fact, Homer Kelley specifically discouraged True Swinging due to the terrific problem of Ball Location. Are we, therefore, saying that any hand manipulation is best done at address as opposed to during the actual swinging process?

Hand Manipulation is accomplished at Impact Fix with the Hands Location established per 7-8 and with the Clubface aligned per 2-J-1. The Feel of the selected Stroke Pattern (Total Motion) is then rehearsed in the Adjusted Address Routine of 3-F-5 -- Practice Swing, Waggle and Forward Press.

So, manipulated hands swinger is not about manipulating your hands during the swing. It refers to manipulating the clubface at impact fix before taking the grip, and then swinging as you would normally. [EDIT: and adjusting Aiming Point if you want.] Correct?

The bad thing about being a true swinger is because an exact ball location is needed to produce a straighaway flight. Correct?

However, Yoda says there is no downside to manipulated hands swinging. Well, IMO, all that has happened is instead of being precise about ball location, the focus has shifted on the degree of clubface manipulation needed at impact fix to produce a straighaway flight. So the only difference is that being a true swinger, you use ball location to produce straightaway flight, while a manipulated hands swinger uses clubface adjustment before making the swing to produce straightaway flight.

So the "terrific problem of Ball Location" is now a terrific problem of clubface manipulation at impact fix.

Hmm....