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In the follow through, post impact - a 'true' swingers move (using CF only) yes, that would be over roll - however - the sweetspot can stay on plane with the clubface facing down and that is really the key - the on plane sweet spot - assuming impact and separation conditions are met. Any additional 'on plane' rotation is extra insurance against compression leakage at the 'possible' expense of clubFACE control if the finish swivel is 'early'.

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Thank you for the help.

And it could have been that he was just over-emphasizing this in the drill to get the student to feel Roll. Didn't ask it just looked weird. I have also seen Mr. Doyle do this in his tape. So maybe it's a Doyle thing?

Just to clarify . . . you are saying that the Clubshaft can satisfy the definition of being on plane (low end pointing at the Plane Line if not parallel), BUT the Clubface could be facing the ground? And once you have executed proper alignments at Impact and Separation, what happens afterwards doesn't matter?

thanks!

B