LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Shoulder Turn 13-B vs. 13-C Thread: Shoulder Turn 13-B vs. 13-C View Single Post #10 05-02-2005, 11:58 AM Bagger Lance Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,326 Originally Posted by DOCW3 << but also Homer mentions it excludes the use of axis tilt!>> Bagger~ Is this in an audio? I can't find a specific book reference. DRW Doc, I paraphrased from the book. If you read 10-13-C it says, "Downstroke use is normally confined to the Shiftless Hip Turn". 10-14-C describes the Shiftless Hip Turn as "a free turn in both directions but with no weight shift..." This implies no axis tilt in the downstroke. Also, see the post from Yoda above. Thanks, Bagger Bagger Lance View Public Profile Send a private message to Bagger Lance Find all posts by Bagger Lance