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That seems true for me but I don't focus so much on the Shoulder Turn. I try to move the Hands onto the TSP ASAP. That pretty much takes care of the Shoulder Turn.

I've noticed in your recent video that you've moved in that direction too. But how do you get the right amount of Flat in a Flat Backstroke Shoulder Turn?

I think the Stationary Head and EA allows the Hand Path and thus determines the Shoulder Path, not the other way around. It works well for me because when the Shoulders get Dragged by the Hands while your Head remains Stationary, your Shoulders have only one path to follow.

Yea, just trying to get the hands on plane quicker in the backswing, they were getting to much out, now trying to get the hands working more in and up, naturally it seems like the shoulder turn gets closer to rotated, its not a conscious effort to turn the left shoulder down.

I hit my irons off the chart good last round working it both ways. The driver was a bit of a struggle, not sure why. Its usually the other way around with a flatter shoulder turn.