[Mike O]

Somewhat common in forum posts are people not understanding where someone else is coming from - they are coming from a different perspective that hasn't been identified and the other person is coming from a different perspective that isn't identified - and no progress is made. I'm sure there are other reasons that no agreement or progress is made in forum threads.

I'm trying my best to clarify my post -
1st: Bumpy started this thread - labeled "Clubface Alignment" and then had this quote "The True Swinger allows Centrifugal Force to align for Impact all three Functions of the Club, i.e., the Clubhead, the Clubshaft and the Clubface."

Any and all of my posts relate to this specific topic - How does Centrifugal Force align the clubface in a TRUE swing - as I tried to shed some light on Bumpy's original question. I'm making an effort to define the context and boundaries of my post(s) - I'm hoping that others will do the same.

In a different context, I have no issues with HB's post. However, in the context of Bumpy's original question - it sheds no light on the subject matter.

Further, when I said HB had no understanding between a True swinger and a Manipulated swinger - his follow-up post doesn't confirm or deny it. For me, HB would have to either state how the True swinger aligns the clubface versus the manipulated swinger OR ask questions to understand that concept.

To make some progress it takes both sides to work towards clear communication and the goal to understand a concept - I'm open to that - it's not about getting fired up, getting emotional. Important in any forum discussion is agreeing on what topic the discussion will be limited to - who's perspective are we going to dig into? In this case I let the lead post and question determine that and I have stayed the course, because if you don't clearly limit and define the area of discussion then again, there is no way you can come to any agreement. HB in his last post is making a point that is perfectly correct in the context that he is using it - just not the correct context i.e. how a CF aligns the clubface in a true swing. In that context Daryl's post does nothing either.

I understand's OB's adrenalin post - however the effort for cold, clear communication and the effort to stay on topic - would be much better than adding adrenalin to your existing approach. I've tried to clearly define the context and boundaries to my post(s) - I hope others will do the same with their posts and if something is unclear then please ask specific questions until it is clear and I'll try to provide specific answers - so that progress can be made in either showing myself where there is a mistake in my knowledge or logic OR where the person asking the questions understands something that they didn't understand before - when we get to one of those two options then there is a WIN and a purpose for using a forum - otherwise it's a waste of time.