[Mike O]

Daryl, Mike O, O.B.Left
Here is what I need clarified:
As I understand it- HK said swinger uses Horizontal Hinging, Hitters use angled hinging. If the hitter uses other than angled or the swinger uses other than horizontal there is manipulation.
Is that your understanding?

HB

No offense but I think both OB and Daryl's response to your post would create more confusion and doesn't address the issue.

If my post does not make sense then please ask additional questions.

It's crucial that you have clear definitions to your terms or chaos will be created. Hand Manipulation is defined as having the intent or some awareness of returning to impact at a pre-selected lead hand alignment to control the clubface alignment. For example let's use flat, level and vertical. Now use that bolded definition whenever you see the term "Manipulation" in the Golfing Machine. Equally you should have specific definitions for all of the other terms and concepts in the Golfing Machine - if you can't produce them - you (not you HB but anyone reading this which would include you) need to determine what they are.

So HB regardless of your understanding or intent of your question - if you were someone else reading it - here is the problem inherent in your question. It implies that a swinger with horizontal hinge action would not have manipulation (read the post and see that perspective). Regardless, let's clarify that - that the swinger can have horizontal hinging and have hand manipulation - that's the manipulative swinger that he talks about. Whether your intent or not - your question implies that the definition of "Manipulation" is doing something that doesn't come naturally - and that's not the context nor the definition of the term as he uses it.

Finally as a side note - when you say Swingers usehorizontal hinging and Hitters use angled hinging, for those trying to understand these concepts I would be more precise and say that Horizontal hinging is inherent in a swinging procedure and angled hinging is inherent in a hitting procedure - they are products of the physics. Now, if you performed something other than the inherent - say vertical hinging then I would say "for that particular swing the swinger used vertical hinging." In the context of your question to me "used" implies a willful choice to employ something or a manual control not normally employed - something other than the given.

Don't take my post wrong - I'm trying to be very clear with my answers in hopes it will help you. I'm tearing it up, chewing it and spitting it out. No intent to tear you up- just the opposite I'm spending alot of time trying to do justice to your question.