[HungryBear]

HB,
As the thread winds down - the quote below of my defintiion of "Manipulation" with your comment in between (blue) provided me with the most interest in responding.

My definition: "Hand Manipulation requires one to identify the lead hand condition (For example Flat, Level and Vertical)
MY problem here- only FLAT- Because level is controled by the shaft on the plane and vertical is a function of hinging (the vertical would then be to the associated plane)
and the corresponding clubface alignment intended for impact via impact fix AND then if one has some intent, focus, awareness to return to that lead hand location to control the clubface alignment at impact"

OK - when you say MY problem here - I'm assuming you are taking on your frame of reference and not the Golfing Machine frame of reference. However, I wasn't sure if MY problem here - was MY problem based on my understanding of the Golfing Machine or MY problem here from my theory.

As I stated before - it's tough enough for someone to follow me in understanding the Golfing Machine concepts - if I added my personal theory, thoughts - it would really be confusing. So I stay on the Golfing Machine Frame of Reference when posting.

1) Although I could have put in - any grip type in my defintion as an example- Homer preferred grip was Flat, Level and Vertical - because all of those are visually identifiable with precision - as opposed to a curved line or angles which are not- without using measurement instruments.

2) Regardless of lie angle - he would always want the grip taken with LEVEL lead hand position.

3) Regardless of hinge action employed he would always want you taking the grip at impact fix with the a Vertical Lead Hand position and returning to impact with it Vertical - hinging takes place after that (during impact).

4) If you define your face and hand positions at impact fix - and then when you arrived at impact, if you changed the shaft angle or arrived at a different location than vertical then you would have changed the clubface alignment.

When I say "my" I mean what is going on between MY ears.
I have been rethinking. therefore I shall retract "SOME" of my thoughts. Since I am still thinking, I am not sure what is no-good anymore.
I am convinced that what we are doing with 7-2 has a lot to do with clubface alignment but little to do with the CF theory of clubface alignment.

My biggest current thought is.-when we think ball flight vs position- "should we be saying "true" swingers and hitters or should we be saying HORIZONTAL and ANGLED hingers?

I will continue to think this through.

HB