Motor Learning??????

[phillygolf]

Do you mean clubhead outside the hands?

Yes...my bad.

He slowed down his lower body to achieve this mainly....

And it took awhile!

[vj]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no one is entitled to their own FACTS! I have no research to back what I am about to say up, however I feel change cannot come without faith. Faith in the teacher, the change, and faith in the ability to accomplish it. If you have the faith, all you need is the repetition.

[phillygolf]

Do you mean clubhead outside the hands?

Yes Neil....good catch.

I think the main point is...there isnt a 'forumla' to do this or that. Too many factors involved...

However, there some ways in which studies have shown to help...ie, visualization, mental rehearsal, self talk, etc.

[6bmike]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no one is entitled to their own FACTS! I have no research to back what I am about to say up, however I feel change cannot come without faith. Faith in the teacher, the change, and faith in the ability to accomplish it. If you have the faith, all you need is the repetition.

I agree VJ- there is a lot of faith turned over to TGM, Homer, Lynn and AI instructors like yourself. And faith is garnered by improvement and trust in the material.

[300Drive]

I do not feel that this topic is given enough attention on this forum, or in teaching in general. Nor do students really understand it......until they look up 5 years later and have barely improved, and begin to wonder why!

Quite frankly, this site and ANY AND ALL "TEACHING" is for not if students are not taught.....How to learn and incorporate this great material. How to deal with the mental side of true change. Its got to be an integral part of teaching, otherwise, both the teacher and the student suffer.

This is huge and really should be dealt with by the "teachers" on this site, if they even know how to address it!

[lagster]

Good 300Drive!!!

Hummmmmmmmmmmm... How many repetitions per day, for how many days or weeks, does it take to develop a HABIT? If an old habit must be overcome... does it take longer?

I have heard different answers to this, but around 100 or so reps per day for two weeks seems to be what I have heard.

Of course the quality of the repetitions must be consistent, if a quality habit is to be gained.

What do you think?

Of course many other factors could be discussed here!

[300Drive]

Good 300Drive!!!

Hummmmmmmmmmmm... How many repetitions per day, for how many days or weeks, does it take to develop a HABIT? If an old habit must be overcome... does it take longer?

I have heard different answers to this, but around 100 or so reps per day for two weeks seems to be what I have heard.

Of course the quality of the repetitions must be consistent, if a quality habit is to be gained.

What do you think?

Of course many other factors could be discussed here!

I think its a good start.....what about the "totally different" psychological effect of tyring to go through the change while playing on the course! Range practice, is not golf. Golf is only done on the course. So, what would be the best approach on developing a mechanical/feel change while also playing golf? Thats tough. How should we approach it?

Also, some teachers with high egos (most) like to say that if you are makeing a change, you should see better results immediately. Maybe for a small few, certainly, not for most. Typically, if you a changing one mechanical move/feel, you have to change another, since, the flaw you are changes is being "compensated" by some other, "non-desireable" move.

Its a really tough game!

Back to my reps, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, .......

[hg]

Has anyone else seen the Adidas advertisement where golfers are swinging and the golf club is not visible. That really caught my eye...I wonder how effective that would be as a teaching tool to see sound TGM swings and the relationship of all the moving parts without being distracted by the golf club.

[dkerby]

From: Golf World March 1978
Hogan: Well it just takes eights hours a day.
Seitz: Like any other Job.
Hogan: Yeah, thats right. If you find something that's
not working, you've got to go out and work about
three days harder on that one think.

Note: Three days at 8 hours a day, means 24 hours to
work a swing change to fix a problem.

[nuke99]

I read a book by Dave Stockton about putting.

His father is a good coach and when his father change something , a grip for example. He mentioned that the father only checked back 21 days later. So 21 days for a grip change, if he find something wrong , he will change it there and then , if not he will leave it be. but the cycle is always about 21 days.