The Beauty of 12-5
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01-13-2006, 11:10 PM
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Gettin' your $$$'s worth . . .
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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Practicing Stage One on the range is a very dull and expensive way to get the job done. But if you have no alternative, visualize a chipping green and a near target, otherwise your Stroke will be too long, and you will exceed the Basic Motion's boundary.
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If the range isn't too busy, dump your balls out and chip to the range basket. Pick up 'em up . . . chip 'em again and again and again.
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01-14-2006, 12:37 AM
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Depending on their pricing structure indoor golf domes are great for this reason alone. There is a dome near me where they have a short game area which you can use for FREE. Unlimited balls. Then you can go to a hitting station where you're only charged by the amount of time you spend in the station. Again, unlimited balls. Besides, it's only 90 yards to the other side of the dome. I find hitting drivers in domes a waste of time.
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01-14-2006, 05:53 AM
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Should PP#2 really be in 12-5-1?
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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For Swingers, with or without Wristcock, the #2 Pressure Point Drag Loads the Secondary Lever (the Club / 6-A-3).
For Hitters, with or without Wristcock, the #3 Pressure Point Drive Loads the entire Primary Lever Assembly (the Left Arm and Club / 6-A-2).
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So I take it that Hitters can say goodbye to Pressure Point #2.
Also, you said earlier that Accumulators #2 and #3 should be zeroed out when using 12-5-1. Which means the club should be gripped in the cup of the left hand (rather than in the heel pad as usual). With that in mind, Pressure Point #2 (last three fingers of the left hand) isn't even on the club! So how can PP#2 be used even for the Swinger?
Thanks for your clarification Yoda 
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01-14-2006, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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So I take it that Hitters can say goodbye to Pressure Point #2.
Also, you said earlier that Accumulators #2 and #3 should be zeroed out when using 12-5-1. Which means the club should be gripped in the cup of the left hand (rather than in the heel pad as usual). With that in mind, Pressure Point #2 (last three fingers of the left hand) isn't even on the club! So how can PP#2 be used even for the Swinger?
Thanks for your clarification Yoda
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You got me wondering now too. I don't understand why you would adjust the grip different for 12-5-1, 12-5-2 and 12-5-3? I may have this wrong, but I havent been doing it this way and when I demonstrated this with Yoda, I don't believe he had me change, gotta go back to notes here.
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01-14-2006, 01:23 PM
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More On Pressure Points -- Hitting And Swinging
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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So I take it that Hitters can say goodbye to Pressure Point #2.
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Other than the normal pressure necessary to secure the Left Hand Grip (1-L #3), the Hitter does not employ Pressure Point #2. In Full Strokes, the Swinger Loads the Left Wrist (and Pressure Points #2 and #3) to Drag centrifugally the Secondary Lever (the Club only). The Hitter Loads the Right Elbow (and Pressure Points #1 and #3) to Drive muscularly the Primary Lever (the Left Arm and Club). The latter is true even in Wristcock Strokes: Pressure Point #3 drives the #2 Accumulator (as opposed to the Swinger's normal application of the #2 Pressure Point driving the associated #2 Power Accumulator). This illustrates the Interchangeability of Power Accumulators and Pressure Points (10-11-0-5).
In the Stage One Basic Motion, there is no Left Wristcock. Hence, the Primary Lever Assembly remains in its In Line condition (Centrifugal Momentum 2-K#2). The player then uses either (1) the Left Arm to Pull the Secondary Lever through Impact (Swinging); or (2) the Right Arm to Push the Primary Lever through Impact (Hitting).
The Swinger Pulls the Secondary Lever toward the Plane Line centrifugally (as if the Clubshaft was a piece of rope) via Pressure Point #2. The Hitter Pushes the Primary Lever toward the Plane Line muscularly (as if the Left Arm and Clubshaft were one solid piece of board) by the thrust of the Right Elbow against Pressure Point #3.
Hitter's caveat:
Normally, the Left Arm is driven by the Thrust of the #1 Accumulator (Right Elbow) against the #1 Pressure Point (the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb). Simultaneously, the Clubshaft is driven also by the Right Elbow but now against Pressure Point #3 (the right forefinger).
When only Pressure Point #3 is employed, the Right Elbow must drive both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft using that lone Pressure Point (1-L #7). This means that the Acceleration Thrust must be applied equally against both the Left Arm and Club (and not merely the Club alone). Otherwise, the Left Wrist Bends, the Club swings forward independently of the Left Arm and the shot is lost (1-L #8 ).
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01-14-2006, 01:36 PM
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Pressure Point #2 With Zero #3 Accumulator
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
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Also, you said earlier that Accumulators #2 and #3 should be zeroed out when using 12-5-1. Which means the club should be gripped in the cup of the left hand (rather than in the heel pad as usual). With that in mind, Pressure Point #2 (last three fingers of the left hand) isn't even on the club! So how can PP#2 be used even for the Swinger?
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Pressure Point #2 secures the Left Hand Grip to the Club. When the Club is placed in the cup of the Hand (to zero Accumulator #3), the securing Pressure is against the tips of the fingers and On Plane.
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01-14-2006, 02:15 PM
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Thanks for your clarification Yoda  "...tips of the fingers..." I mean who would've guessed that!
Moving on...
What the heck is Foot Loading (number 5 in the list) doing in 12-5-1? Surely that violates the "zero Pivot" (just enough to accomodate motion of the Hands) condition, no?
Another note: I think there's an error regarding the Reference number for 'Pace' (component number 19). 2-G talks about Hinge Motion which has everything to do with Rhythm, not Pace. Shouldn't that be replaced with the reference 6-P-0 instead?
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01-14-2006, 03:44 PM
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Foot Loading is halting the backstoke from the feet...I've heard it called "Flat Loading " your feet from a certain "AI"....so with zero pivot load your feet..."FLAT" put a downward pressure "Down" to keep the feet "Flat"....
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01-15-2006, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
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Foot Loading is halting the backstoke from the feet...I've heard it called "Flat Loading " your feet from a certain "AI"....so with zero pivot load your feet..."FLAT" put a downward pressure "Down" to keep the feet "Flat"....
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So basically this is utilizing a 'full radius' with a short stroke? (the extension of the radius to the feet)
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01-15-2006, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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Other than the normal pressure necessary to secure the Left Hand Grip (1-L #3), the Hitter does not employ Pressure Point #2. In Full Strokes, the Swinger Loads the Left Wrist (and Pressure Points #2 and #3) to Drag centrifugally the Secondary Lever (the Club only). The Hitter Loads the Right Elbow (and Pressure Points #1 and #3) to Drive muscularly the Primary Lever (the Left Arm and Club). The latter is true even in Wristcock Strokes: Pressure Point #3 drives the #2 Accumulator (as opposed to the Swinger's normal application of the #2 Pressure Point driving the associated #2 Power Accumulator). This illustrates the Interchangeability of Power Accumulators and Pressure Points (10-11-0-5).
In the Stage One Basic Motion, there is no Left Wristcock. Hence, the Primary Lever Assembly remains in its In Line condition (Centrifugal Momentum 2-K#2). The player then uses either (1) the Left Arm to Pull the Secondary Lever through Impact (Swinging); or (2) the Right Arm to Push the Primary Lever through Impact (Hitting).
The Swinger Pulls the Secondary Lever toward the Plane Line centrifugally (as if the Clubshaft was a piece of rope) via Pressure Point #2. The Hitter Pushes the Primary Lever toward the Plane Line muscularly (as if the Left Arm and Clubshaft were one solid piece of board) by the thrust of the Right Elbow against Pressure Point #3.
Hitter's caveat:
Normally, the Left Arm is driven by the Thrust of the #1 Accumulator (Right Elbow) against the #1 Pressure Point (the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb). Simultaneously, the Clubshaft is driven also by the Right Elbow but now against Pressure Point #3 (the right forefinger).
When only Pressure Point #3 is employed, the Right Elbow must drive both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft using that lone Pressure Point (1-L #7). This means that the Acceleration Thrust must be applied equally against both the Left Arm and Club (and not merely the Club alone). Otherwise, the Left Wrist Bends, the Club swings forward independently of the Left Arm and the shot is lost (1-L #8 ).
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This one should go in the 'sticky' category - wonderful post!
Yoda - does this difference indicate then that a hitter may actually be better off with zero accumulator #2, and a swinger with 'max' accumulator #2 (Hogan)? It would certainly seem to differentiate loading preferences being near opposites of each other. The swinger with the 'early' set perhaps.
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