The more Right Elbow bend you have during Impact, the more likely you are using a shallower Plane Angle (e.g. Elbow Plane or Hands Only Plane), and the more above Plane your Right Shoulder becomes. When using the Turned Shoulder Plane, your Right Elbow should only have a slight bend at Impact, therefore your Right Shoulder will only be slightly above Plane.
Are you absolutely sure that this is a statement of fact or it is an opinion???....
Tom Watson had a lot of elbow bend and his plane angle wasn't shaloow...He shalllowed it out by a full sweep release and an increasing the amount of Axis Tilt...
As a matter of fact if you maintain too much right elbow bend it is difficult to get the right forearm pointing at the plane line during release and impact....
Are you absolutely sure that this is a statement of fact or it is an opinion???....
Tom Watson had a lot of elbow bend and his plane angle wasn't shaloow...He shalllowed it out by a full sweep release and an increasing the amount of Axis Tilt...
As a matter of fact if you maintain too much right elbow bend it is difficult to get the right forearm pointing at the plane line during release and impact....
It's opinion not fact, I'm just generalising. But remember I'm assuming that the Right Forearm is On Plane (as it should be), not above or below Plane, as a few of your photos show.
Would you agree or disagree? That in order to have the right forearm pointing on-plane as your assumption states...that the amount of right elbow bend depends on whether or not the right wrist is Uncocked(Tom Watson), Level(Mac O'Grady) or Cocked (Donna Andrews)....Also the degree of Waist Bend, Axit Tilt and Knee Bend along with numerous other factors greatly influence this alignment.....
checkout the pics...they are not an opinion and they are not in a random order at all.....As a matter of fact each picture was carefully selected and placed to reveal certain relatioship variations to the others....
Another interesting note...Plane Angle through Impact...
Would you agree or disagree? That inorder to have the right foream pointing on-plane as your assumption states...that the amount of right elbow bend depends on whether or not the right wrist is Uncocked(Tom Watson), Level(Mac O'Grady) or Cocked (Donna Andrews)....Also the degree of Waist Bend, Axit Tilt and Knee Bend along with numerous other factors greatly influence this alignment.....
Are you suggesting it's possible to get your Right Forearm On Plane without a Level Right Wrist? I don't see how that's possible.
I'm not suggesting anything...just trying to make you think before you make such bold statements such as "always"...
The degree of right elbow bend is greatly affected not only by plane angle such as the turned shoulder plane...but ball location. right forearm angle of approach. amount of wrist bend, Right Shoulder Location, Amount of Downstroke Hip Slide..etc......etc...etc..
So lets assume the right forearm is on-plane.. the right wrist is level and bent....
Squared Shoulder Plane would have less amount of elbow bend less Waist Bend and Knee Bend than Turned Shoulder Plane..thus one would assume the Elbow Plane would have more elbow bend ,Waist Bend and Knee Bend....
I'm not suggesting anything...just trying to make you think before you make such bold statements such as "always"...
The degree of right elbow bend is greatly affected not only by plane angle such as the turned shoulder plane...but ball location. right forearm angle of approach. amount of wrist bend, Right Shoulder Location, Amount of Downstroke Hip Slide..etc......etc...etc..
So lets assume the right forearm is on-plane.. the right wrist is level and bent....
Squared Shoulder Plane would have less amount of elbow bend less Waist Bend and Knee Bend than Turned Shoulder Plane..thus one would assume the Elbow Plane would have more elbow bend ,Waist Bend and Knee Bend....
Is the above "always" true?
I don't think my statement was actually that 'bold' since I used phrases such as "more likely", etc., which implies there are other things involved here. So don't take it as gospel!
Things tend to get exponentially complicated when we start looking at so many different factors. In such situations, I find it helpful to make the ceteris parabis (everything else equal) assumption. With that in mind, I would say my comments in post #8 is true. Of course, by merely increasing the bend in your right elbow, you would inevitably change a host of other things, but they changed to accomodate the right elbow bend, not the other way round. Also keep in mind the original purpose of my post is to shed some light on nevermind's question.
By the way, I really appreciate your insights and contributions David .
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