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Old 02-24-2006, 02:57 PM
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Those who can not feel the 'room' for the right arm to extend through impact should take special note of plate #43.

Nearly every hacker has moved the hands away from their body and club well inside at this point. Instantly off, and above plane - yet appearing to the eye of most to be below plane (because the shaft is).

Keeping the clubhead "outside the hands" and staying on plane such as this excellent example at #43 is the cure. Split grip drills can help a lot to really 'get' this feel. Especially from impact to both arms straight. You will have "room" to extend the right arm from the 'inside', downplane. You will really be able to feel that "magic" - the right forearm.

I most certainly agree with Lynn. #45 is about as good as it gets.

Study 43, 44,45 closely
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Byron's Missing Photos
Those seekers wanting a close look at Lord Byron's post-Impact alignments (in the larger, first series above from the book, Winning Golf) have already discovered that they are not there. But don't blame Colonel 12 Piece for not scanning a few in. He couldn't because they were deliberately omitted from the book. Here's the story:

Byron always preached "straight back and straight through" with "no pronation or supination" of the Wrists during the Stroke. It was the hallmark of his teaching and the philosophical basis of the modern, one-piece swing that took full advantage of the 'new' steel shafts. But, when he viewed the book's galley proofs, he found to his horror that a great deal of Rolling (Horizontal Hinging) through Impact was, in fact, going on. Worse yet, he saw that a decidedly aggressive Finish Swivel independently rotated the Vertical Wrists of Horizontal Hinging back On Plane after the Follow-Through.

Despite the undeniable proof staring him in the face, he did not feel this action through the Ball and thought it would be misleading to his public to put them in. He therefore 'did what he had to do' and demanded that the offending photographs -- all of them, irons and woods alike -- be removed from the book. And they were.

Hence, we are left with the following Sections of the Stroke:

-- Address

-- Start Up

-- Backstroke

-- Top

-- Start Down

-- Downstroke

-- Release

-- Impact

[Hinge Action and Follow-Through Missing]

[Finish Swivel Missing]

-- Finish

This prompt dispatch made Byron feel better, but the price tag was the perpetuation of Steering and its fraud on the unsuspecting average golfer. The correct Hinge Action, Follow-Through and Finish Swivel are important guideposts along the way to the precision destination of the Finish. And without these, not only is the Finish in jeopardy, but likewise the preparatory Release and Impact. No doubt these important photos were just as great as those that 'made the cut,' but the difference between 'Feel and Real' was just too much for Byron to handle.

And that is why the Star System of G.O.L.F. is so important. It supplies the correct Golf Stroke Mechanics as well as the necessary geometrical alignments for their precision application. Then, it provides the methodology for Translating those Mechanics into their Feel equivalents.

Result?

A satisfying journey for those who choose its path.
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Despite the undeniable proof staring him in the face, he did not feel this action through the Ball and thought it would be misleading to his public to put them in. He therefore 'did what he had to do' and demanded that the offending photographs -- all of them, irons and woods alike -- be removed from the book. And they were.


[Hinge Action and Follow-Through Missing]

[Finish Swivel Missing]

-- Finish.
Cool! I kept wondering why did the pics just go straight from Impact to Finish . . . ON EVERY SEQUENCE?

Here's what Iron B had to say to that point . . .
RELEASING HAND POWER - At this point in the swing . . . (Release) I have the sensation of my right hand trying to catch up with my left. . . . The left hand is not turned (rolled) over, and will not do so during the entire swing. . . . this method increases accuracy and consistency. It is a sure cure for the common fault of rolling your wrists (turning the left under and the right over, as the clubhead progresses into the follow-through stage of the swing).
Yoda how old were you when the book was written? You were probably a 740 yearold whipper snapper.
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Cool! I kept wondering why did the pics just go straight from Impact to Finish . . . ON EVERY SEQUENCE?

Here's what Iron B had to say to that point . . .
RELEASING HAND POWER - At this point in the swing . . . (Release) I have the sensation of my right hand trying to catch up with my left. . . . The left hand is not turned (rolled) over, and will not do so during the entire swing. . . . this method increases accuracy and consistency. It is a sure cure for the common fault of rolling your wrists (turning the left under and the right over, as the clubhead progresses into the follow-through stage of the swing).
Not only did Byron take out the revealing photos, he specifically states in the text above that the correct action -- Left Hand Roll (Hinge Action) and Finish Swivel -- should be avoided. Further, he embraces the incorrect action ("the left Hand... will not [roll] during the entire swing").

Again, all this is simply out-and-out Steering -- the First Snare (3-F-7-A). Despite the logic of the message -- "seems as if" -- and the immortal status of the messenger, the advice is wrong. Those who take it will have climbed aboard the 'A' Train to Hackerville.
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I'm confused plate 45 is backswing are you saying that even though its backswing, thats what start down should look like???
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A Start Down By Any Other Name Is Still A Start Down
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I'm confused plate 45 is backswing are you saying that even though its backswing, thats what start down should look like???
The photo has been mislabeled by the editors, mcflog. It is not a Backswing photo. It is a Start Down photo.

View Stroke sequences critically: Such an error is not as rare as you might think. Also, it is not unusual for one Sequence to be constructed from two or more Strokes.
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Hall of Fame Post EDZ!!! Excellent.

Originally Posted by EdZ
Those who can not feel the 'room' for the right arm to extend through impact should take special note of plate #43.

Nearly every hacker has moved the hands away from their body and club well inside at this point. Instantly off, and above plane - yet appearing to the eye of most to be below plane (because the shaft is).

Keeping the clubhead "outside the hands" and staying on plane such as this excellent example at #43 is the cure. Split grip drills can help a lot to really 'get' this feel. Especially from impact to both arms straight. You will have "room" to extend the right arm from the 'inside', downplane. You will really be able to feel that "magic" - the right forearm.

I most certainly agree with Lynn. #45 is about as good as it gets.

Study 43, 44,45 closely
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Mr. Nelson has a little Rope Drag(where he starts the handle back first, then the clubhead catches up)to start the TAKEAWAY.
Do any of you use this?

It is a good way to get the FEEL for Swinging, but don't overdo it. TGMers, if they wish to employ this, should probably execute the ROPE DRAG as part of their RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY. It's very subtle, and should just be a part of the total Right Forearm Takeaway along with a slight FANNING and gradual UPWARD MOTION. The LEFT ARM, is simultaneously doing it't selected WRIST ACTION.

It is also one way to help people that whip the club inside!

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The Lagging Clubhead Takeaway
Originally Posted by lagster

Mr. Nelson has a little Rope Drag(where he starts the handle back first, then the clubhead catches up)to start the TAKEAWAY.
Do any of you use this?

It is a good way to get the FEEL for Swinging, but don't overdo it. TGMers, if they wish to employ this, should probably execute the ROPE DRAG as part of their RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY. It's very subtle, and should just be a part of the total Right Forearm Takeaway along with a slight FANNING and gradual UPWARD MOTION. The LEFT ARM, is simultaneously doing it't selected WRIST ACTION.

It is also one way to help people that whip the club inside!
Lagster,

All excellent points! This is what Homer Kelley termed the Lagging Clubhead Takeaway -- the Swinger's Ideal -- in the soon to be published 7th edition. And it absolutely is executed in conjunction with the Right Forearm Takeaway.

Colonel 12 Piece, when you're scanning tomorrow, please also scan Plate 32 so readers will see clearly what Lagster is talking about.
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