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Old 04-26-2006, 04:10 PM
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Thrust vs. Speed - Clubshaft Stiffness (6-C-2-D LAG LOSS) GM#49
Originally Posted by Ray Cayse
Yoda,

How do you suppose Homer would explain some of the trick shots of "Heiter the Hit Man" or the 300 plus yard drives by Fred Couples with Tom Watson's wife's 3 metal a few years back?

Ray Cayse

The explanation was clearly presented in my prior post. However, I will expand on it a bit, then reiterate the principle.

The Sweet Spot seeks its in-line condition with the #3 Pressure Point. This is the Centrifugal Line of Pull that exists regardless of Shaft Flex. As I stated in my earlier post, Shaft Flex is important to the Swinger only to minimize Clubface deviation. It means nothing in terms of power. This fact is clearly demonstrated by Fred Couples -- a consumate Swinger -- ripping the Ball 300 yards with a woman's (presumably) flexible shaft.

That said, Fred Couples would have ripped it 300 yards had the Shaft been Stiff. And maybe it was. Who knows? In any event, it makes no difference, because like Homer said...

Shaft Flex means little to the Swinger. Regardless of Flex, it performs as a piece of string.
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Thrust vs. Speed GM#86
Originally Posted by mb6606
I always here about club head swing speed like it is the holy grail for distance. According to Homer it is not. I do not understand the physics.

Why is thrust and "heavy" more important than speed and "dainty"?

Be the Gentle Giant!

Thrust: Keep it high -- or at least decided and definite -- to be sure of the sustained Lag through Impact. Shorten the Stroke if necessary.

Heavy: Sense the Inertia of the additive Effective Mass of the Clubhead (2-M-1).

Speed: You must have it, and you 'gotta love it!' But not at the expense of Stroke Radius and Clubface Control, e.g., by throwing the Clubhead past a Bending Left Wrist through Impact.

Never Dainty: Stay in control. Even in Putts: Don't 'peck.' Instead, Drive to Both Arms Straight!
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Old 04-26-2006, 09:55 PM
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Thrust vs. Speed GM#89
Originally Posted by Phillygolf
Originally Posted by mb6606

Why is thrust and "heavy" more important than speed and "dainty"?

2-K has your answer.

When there is effective clubhead mass, the much discussed flat left wrist/bent right wrist, the clubhead has not passed the hands. If and when it does, the clubhead is no longer accelerating - it is decelerating as discussed in 2-K. So, while swing speed rightfully is discussed as a key to distance, it must be accompanied by clubhead lag to really be taken advantage of.

On thrust, see 6-F-1 in addition to the 2-M reference.

There is more on why heavy and dainty are important, like Yoda said, extending the swing radius, hinge action, etc etc....but purely on swing speed itself, 2-K should be what you are looking for.

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When the Left Wrist Bends and the Club is thrown, the Shortened Radius (at the Left Wrist) does, in fact, cause the Clubhead to speed up (due to the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum). And, if Impact occurs before the 'Swingle passes the Handle' (2-K), the player has complied with the Law of the Flail. Therefore, it is possible for this procedure to produce a Clubhead Speed greater than that produced by the Flat Left Wrist and the 'Sustained Lag.' But, as I stated in my prior post, this marginal increase in Clubhead Speed comes at a great price:

1. Loss of Stroke Radius, Effective Mass and for Swingers, the built-in resistance to Release Deceleration); and

2. Loss of control of the Clubface (which requires the Flat Left Wrist, Hinge Action and Rhythm).
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When the Left Wrist Bends and the Club is thrown, the Shortened Radius (at the Left Wrist) does, in fact, cause the Clubhead to speed up (due to the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum). And, if Impact occurs before the 'Swingle passes the Handle' (2-K), the player has complied with the Law of the Flail. Therefore, it is possible for this procedure to produce a Clubhead Speed greater than that produced by the Flat Left Wrist and the 'Sustained Lag.' But, as I stated in my prior post, this marginal increase in Clubhead Speed comes at a great price:

1. Loss of Stroke Radius, Effective Mass and for Swingers, the built-in resistance to Release Deceleration); and

2. Loss of control of the Clubface (which requires the Flat Left Wrist, Hinge Action and Rhythm).

Sure it is possible that the club could produce greater speeds due to 'throwing' the club then the flat left wrist if it complied with the flail....but it would be highly unlikely.

-patrick

As long as the player maintains a Flat Left Wrist, the Hands and the Clubhead travel at the same RPM around the Left Shoulder Stroke Center. When the Left Wrist Bends, the Hands Quit (3-F-7-B), and Momentum Transfer causes the Clubhead to speed up. Thus, it is not only possible for this phenomenon to occur...it must occur. Why?

It is The Law.
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