Jim Hardy comment , your thoughts?

[mrodock]

I spent quite a bit of time watching the Shells match and Hogan's right elbow is definitely behind his hip at impact. Hardy said that after the accident, I believe, is when Hogan kept the elbow back until after impact. He said this helped him avoid the hook. I don't know, makes a helluva lot of sense to me.

Matt

[dkerby]

When I look at Yoda and Hogan swinging, the pictures look
like the right right elbow is in the line of sight to the
ball before release. When I look at pictures of Yoda Luke
hitting, the right elbow does not appear to get in the line
of sight before releasing. From what I read from Homer
Kelley, he does not limit line of sight, for the right elbow,
to either hitters or swinger. Don't get me wrong, I think
that Yoda Luke has on of the best swings of anybody. I guess
the question is: Do hitters, with the elbow behind the hip,
tend to get the right elbow in the line of sight late or not
at all?

[nuke99]

This is taken from 2 weeks no swinging and a herniated disc ... got a bandaid wrap around my waist but.. thats my bad excuse for overswinging and not bumping to the left as much as i should.

my elbow is behind and I do feel much better results if i could get my right arms more underhand pitch motion in the downswing and elbow slightly in front of body . working on it, still on and off affair.

The thing is , I personally don't feel right behind the hip is correct

[ChangeMySwing]

Hey NUKE it's tinkers from the other forum--- Are you still working with the OPS???

[nuke99]

Hey Tinkers

Yes , I am swinging with arms and shoulder in one plane. I don't think i will change that ever because its my preferred way. I'm still swinging based on that basic concept.

I'm am however very into TGM because it can be applied Universally, on ANY type of swing. And it definitely helps me to appreciate the concept of a swing much better. And Everyone here is so knowledgeble.

for example.

concept of zero manipulation in OPS = zero swivel and semi roll.
concept of left armpit connected to shoulder = # PP4
concept of working the ball = horizontal/vertical hinge/roll


How bout u.. what are u working on?

[psheehan]

This is taken from 2 weeks no swinging and a herniated disc ... got a bandaid wrap around my waist but.. thats my bad excuse for overswinging and not bumping to the left as much as i should.

my elbow is behind and I do feel much better results if i could get my right arms more underhand pitch motion in the downswing and elbow slightly in front of body . working on it, still on and off affair.

The thing is , I personally don't feel right behind the hip is correct

Nuke....

This is coming from someone who is fairly new to TGM (18 months) so take it with that in mind. I think you need to get better extensor action. The lack of extensor action requires some adjustment to get back to the ball. After acquiring better extensor action your opinion of where the right elbow goes might (or given my vast experience teaching...might not) change.... just a thought.

[bray]

Nuke....

This is coming from someone who is fairly new to TGM (18 months) so take it with that in mind. I think you need to get better extensor action. The lack of extensor action requires some adjustment to get back to the ball. After acquiring better extensor action your opinion of where the right elbow goes might (or given my vast experience teaching...might not) change.... just a thought.

psheehan,

Lack of extensor action was the first thing I noticed as well, and as Homer said you should fix the first wobbly point in the motion. However overall it's a pretty good swing. I can see the work you've put in Nuke99. Good Stuff.

Sorting through the Duffer's Bible.

B-Ray

[tongzilla]

When I look at Yoda and Hogan swinging, the pictures look
like the right right elbow is in the line of sight to the
ball before release. When I look at pictures of Yoda Luke
hitting, the right elbow does not appear to get in the line
of sight before releasing. From what I read from Homer
Kelley, he does not limit line of sight, for the right elbow,
to either hitters or swinger. Don't get me wrong, I think
that Yoda Luke has on of the best swings of anybody. I guess
the question is: Do hitters, with the elbow behind the hip,
tend to get the right elbow in the line of sight late or not
at all?

Indeed, the Swinger's Pitch Basic Stroke (10-3-B) is conducive to greater Trigger Delay than the Hitter's Punch Basic Stroke (10-3-A).

[dkerby]

Your thoughts/comments to posts are certainly apprecited.
Thanks for your help. Donn

[dkerby]

Hello again Tonzilla. I reviewed 10-3-A. One would think
that a hitter with the right elbow "down-and-at-side" would
be less prone to get the elbow in the line of site to the
ball before release. But 6-B-1-C, relating to Accumulator #1
the hitters Muscle Power Accumulator, says for Maximum trigger
delay "is gained by causing the right elbow to pass the ball-
which is the line-of-sight-to-the-ball before release".

Then in 6-M-1, "For maximum Power, the position must be taken
that will allow delay of the Release until all Components,
except the Right Foot and the Right Shoulder, have reached,
or passed the Line-of-sight-to-the ball per 6-B-1-C. Then
the Accumulators must move very rapidly toward their
In-Line Position".

Seems like, Swinging or Hitting, the release is inside line-of-sight-to-the ball.