SEQUENTIAL LEARNING VS. DYNAMIC LEARNING

[Perfect Impact]

Don't hold your breath, golf2much.

Homer Kelley invited critical dissent. In fact, he "thrived" on questions. All he asked of his detractors was to do what he had already done...

Prove your case.

In the 37 years since the first edition of The Golfing Machine (1969), many have been called.

To date...

None have been chosen.

I just posted my answer at GEA. I have been banned from teaching on this forum. You may never see my reply here for that reason....

And I do respect that this site IS proprietary: I should have cleared my posts/comments first with the administrator.

[Bagger Lance]

I just posted my answer at GEA. I have been banned from teaching on this forum. You may never see my reply here for that reason....

And I do respect that this site IS proprietary: I should have cleared my posts/comments first with the administrator.

George,

You should have cleared your desire to teach on this site with Lynn first, not me. This is his site and participation here is a privilege, not a right. You are welcome to learn here and to post here. But since you are a teaching professional you should at least intuitively know better than to express your own teaching on this, or any other teaching professionals site for that matter, without clearing it first.

We are discussing the possibility of setting up a special area for dissenting discussion. I'm far from being closed minded about other ways of teaching and learning the golf swing. But we need to get some ground rules established so that the area doesn't turn into a mud wrestling pit. So give us some time and maybe we'll come up with something.

Thanks,

Bagger

[davel]

Paul bertholy teaching approach revolved a around a primary set of drills with the beginning ones static positions with a weighted pipe and no ball. Does anyone feel this approach can be effective since there really is no dynamics involved just posed positions.

Also he was trying to remove the right hand hitting impulse. Doesn;t that occur to happen more likely when you are hitting balls and trying to hit the ball hard and square up the club and use your right hand in the process.

My point is some of the learning has to be done in the real swing mode and even though it may have evolved from chipping and pitching there is a step in the getting to the full swing that can be difficult especially since the motions are faster and it is harder to feel what you are doing.

The question then is if you are trying to learn without a instructor watching you what means do you use to diagnose your problems.

For example at repeated impact your ball goes right. Is it the grip. Is it failure to swivel. Are you sliding past the ball etc etc etc.

Dave

[Yoda]

Paul bertholy teaching approach revolved a around a primary set of drills with the beginning ones static positions with a weighted pipe and no ball. Does anyone feel this approach can be effective since there really is no dynamics involved just posed positions.

I trained under Paul Bertholy for three days in the summer of 1982 and can personally attest to the value of his work. His concepts are especially effective when coupled with TGM's Mechanical Checklist For All Strokes (12-3-0) and taken through all Twelve Sections of the Stroke (Chapter 8 ).

I personally have memorized the 45 items in the Checklist and go through at least a Section or two (in their entirety) every day. Also, I will go through the entire Stroke in slow motion -- as did Paul -- hitting key checkpoints along the way.

This training is not difficult, and it takes only a very few minutes each day. You don't need to be on the golf course or the practice tee. In fact, you don't even need a Club.

I say without reservation that the discipline of learning and practicing these mission-critical alignments is the 'open sesame' to a lifetime of better Golf.

[golf2much]

I just posted my answer at GEA. I have been banned from teaching on this forum. You may never see my reply here for that reason....

And I do respect that this site IS proprietary: I should have cleared my posts/comments first with the administrator.

from the other forum, rhetoric limited:

"And who introduce OTHER THINGS that while not in opposition (to TGM) are at least in addition. If he (HK) said them, they are too buried and obscurely refenced (the role of balance as concerns impact on heel or toe, the elasticity of the body, how impact position is SO different from address, how stretching occurring by virtue of centrifugal force lengthens the arms...for a couple - what I call Elephants in the Living Room. Which are universally applicable, but ignored or unknown by TGM disciples."

[6bmike]

from the other forum, rhetoric limited:

"And who introduce OTHER THINGS that while not in opposition (to TGM) are at least in addition. If he (HK) said them, they are too buried and obscurely refenced (the role of balance as concerns impact on heel or toe, the elasticity of the body, how impact position is SO different from address, how stretching occurring by virtue of centrifugal force lengthens the arms...for a couple - what I call Elephants in the Living Room. Which are universally applicable, but ignored or unknown by TGM disciples."

I have tried to explain TGM to this guy for many many years. He has selective cognizance on the subject. He rather battle and spin arguments then try to understand. There is a big difference between someone that has original opinions and can intellectually go beyond what Homer laid out and this guy that only wants to be irritating.
The fact that he has access to all the videos, a treasure chest of information is an insult. He has been one of the biggest TGM bashers on the internet since the last century and now can profit from it.
If you saw the youtube of him swinging a golf club- no more needs to be said.

[golf2much]

I have tried to explain TGM to this guy for many many years. He has selective cognizance on the subject. He rather battle and spin arguments then try to understand. There is a big difference between someone that has original opinions and can intellectually go beyond what Homer laid out and this guy that only wants to be irritating.
The fact that he has access to all the videos, a treasure chest of information is an insult. He has been one of the biggest TGM bashers on the internet since the last century and now can profit from it.
If you saw the youtube of him swinging a golf club- no more needs to be said.

I saw the video, which he claims isn't real by the way, but he hasn't posted anything else. I know he is FOS, but sometimes just can't restrain myself from trying to correct someone so off base as he was with his "backwards" claims.
G2M

[6bmike]

I saw the video, which he claims isn't real by the way, but he hasn't posted anything else. I know he is FOS, but sometimes just can't restrain myself from trying to correct someone so off base as he was with his "backwards" claims.
G2M

I understand- you and I can see what Homer and Lynn teach. Easy to understand- works great- so you want to share and explain. I tried for years- he only enjoys the agrument. He got me kicked off of 4gea and other tgmers over the years on fgi. He is bad news.

I tracked down the guy you made the clip and got in touch with the source- a Mike Austin follower- nice guy- that is George. That foot movement is GH's trigger.

[birdie_man]

The "classic" patterns 12-1/12-2- touches on another pet peave of mine- that those sample patterns are somehow ideal, or hold a higher value than the other trillion patterns available.


Not sure I agree Mike O. The further down the TGM path I venture the more I see the those patterns as uncompensated. Which would make them ideal for anyone physically able to perform them.

I disagree.

There is no one golf swing...or two even.

They are a starting point. (and even then are debateable, apparently)

For an actual machine those would prolly be the most efficient strokes...

[birdie_man]

I have tried to explain TGM to this guy for many many years. He has selective cognizance on the subject. He rather battle and spin arguments then try to understand. There is a big difference between someone that has original opinions and can intellectually go beyond what Homer laid out and this guy that only wants to be irritating.
The fact that he has access to all the videos, a treasure chest of information is an insult. He has been one of the biggest TGM bashers on the internet since the last century and now can profit from it.
If you saw the youtube of him swinging a golf club- no more needs to be said.

I hate when ppl generalize TGMers like that....

i.e. "we" don't accept any non TGM ideas...

...

The truth is....Homer has laid it all out pretty damn solidly....so if you have a case (most of these ppl it seems are trying to prove a point of theirs or have just been debated against) you'd better have a good one....

...but in relation to all that....you do have options....(this is TGM)