Putting backswing when hitting

[The Hawk]

I understand the downstroke when hitting (vs. swinging) a putt, but not the backswing. What does the right forearm and elbow do on the backswing? Does the elbow bend more (on the shaft plane) to create the pistoning action on the downstroke? If so, this means the putter comes up off the ground quite a bit!

[powerdraw]

hhmmm, i see no flat spots in a circle.

[vj]

When hitting a putt the right arm bends because it IS the power. The right arm will bend and fan and then PUSH (thrust) until it is straight. That is hitting a putt. So yes, the right arm definitely bends.

When swinging a putt the right arm doesn not bend. The putter is moved by the pivot and because the left wrist does not need to cock the right arm will not bend. Here the power is the body.

Very different.

As far as how much the putter moves up and down. When hitting a putt low point is the left shoulder. When swinging a putt the low point is your spine. So the putter will move back, up, and in---down, out, and forward on both strokes but around a different center.

Very different.

So....if you wish to hit your right arm will bend and fan a bit on the way back and then your right arm will straighten after it passes your left shoulder. You should monitor your shoulders and keep them as quiet as possible. You should also monitor ball position and have it more up in the stance, just shy of your low point (left shoulder).

[300Drive]

Interesting. So, the "shoulder stroke" is swinging and the "arm stroke" is hitting???

I keep everything "locked" and "pull back with my right shoulder and push it through with my right shoulder" (thats my image/feel anyway). And I thought I was hitting.

[tongzilla]

When hitting a putt the right arm bends because it IS the power. The right arm will bend and fan and then PUSH (thrust) until it is straight. That is hitting a putt. So yes, the right arm definitely bends.

Absolutely, vj. But with a Push Basic Stroke, which is a Hitting procedure because you are Radially accerlating the club, the Right Forearm never fans.

[vj]

You are exactly right tong. With pure push basic there is no fanning. I am thinking variation and preference. If a player has the right elbow "up and out" there will be no fanning. As the right elbow moves "down and at the side" there will be a fanning motion. Still a hit none the less if using the right arm.

With that said, it would only be correct to say you must monitor 3-F-5 and know what Stroke Basic/Elbow Position is needed for your putting stroke.

The preference I threw in the first post probably stems from my desire to have players with their forearms in plane. Meaning I want the wedges in plane with one another so that the putter can move in the same plane as both forearms. This can be done in putting by zeroing out number 3 or placing the club in the life line of the left hand and moving the right elbow closer to "down and at the side."

[mb6606]

When swinging a putt the right arm doesn not bend. The putter is moved by the pivot and because the left wrist does not need to cock the right arm will not bend. Here the power is the body.

VJ,
I am interested in learning more on the role of the pivot when swinging.
Thanks