I enjoy every single word of your posts and LBG videos especially the recent one with Mr. Jeff Hull.
I am lucky to make friends with a GSEB in Hong Kong. He helps me to understand TGM and he always asked me to focus on hands action, educated hands, lag loading…All are great things for my golf swing understanding.
However, I am confusing one thing since I adopted a swinging procedure. In Swingers Emergency Room - topic of "The bump" to start downswing, Yoda mentioned both the Hip and Shoulder Turns are the result of the intent to Drive the Hands Down Plane (toward the Ball). My mentor also always talks about intention vs results too.
However, in the Jeff Hull video, I got the information that for drag loading, we have to hold our hands and let the pivot to pull so that we can load the #2 accumulator. If it is the case, what should be the intention then? Hold hands vs drive our Hands?
I enjoy every single word of your posts and LBG videos especially the recent one with Mr. Jeff Hull.
I am lucky to make friends with a GSEB in Hong Kong. He helps me to understand TGM and he always asked me to focus on hands action, educated hands, lag loading…All are great things for my golf swing understanding.
However, I am confusing one thing since I adopted a swinging procedure. In Swingers Emergency Room - topic of "The bump" to start downswing, Yoda mentioned both the Hip and Shoulder Turns are the result of the intent to Drive the Hands Down Plane (toward the Ball). My mentor also always talks about intention vs results too.
However, in the Jeff Hull video, I got the information that for drag loading, we have to hold our hands and let the pivot to pull so that we can load the #2 accumulator. If it is the case, what should be the intention then? Hold hands vs drive our Hands?
The short answer, KOC, is that the player always drives his Hands (Lag Pressure) toward the Ball (6-G-0). But as your post suggests, there is more to learn here.
In full Pivot Strokes (Maximum Swing Radius), the Centrifugal Downstroke Sequence (6-M-1) (of both the Pivot and the Power Package) is a chain reaction from the Feet up. The work of Educated Hands is to sense and align this Force. And proper alignment of the Hands and their Down Plane Delivery Path requires that the Right Hip 'Clear' from the Top. In this sense, the work of the Pivot is reactive to the intended purpose of the Hands -- to precisely propel their Load Down Plane (6-E-2-1) -- even though it does, in fact, initiate the Action.
So what do the Hands do from the Top? First, they continue their Grip function as Clamps (for controlling Clubface alignments) and, also, their On Plane alignment functions (aiming the Lag Pressure). Then, they begin their drive toward the Ball. However, during the Start Down and even during the Downstroke, they will feel as though they remain at the Top of the Stroke. That is because they enjoy a fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder during the Pivot's Delivery of the Power Package into Release (6-K-0), and there is no independent motion of the Hands until they have been delivered to the Release Point.
In other words, if the Hands are at Top -- Right Shoulder high and On Plane - and the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane (as pulled by the Hip Turn and its Action) then the Hands will feel 'in the same place,' namely, in their same fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder. Only when the Hands begin their move away from the Right Shoulder and the Right Arm thus begins to straighten in Release will the player experience their independent motion.
Your hands will feel like your very first roller coaster ride, where you take a steep decline and feel your heart in your throat. As Yoda mentions below.........
"if the Hands are at Top -- Right Shoulder high and On Plane - and the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane (as pulled by the Hip Turn and its Action) then the Hands will feel 'in the same place,' namely, in their same fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder. Only when the Right Arm begins to straighten in Release and the Hands begin their move away from the Right"
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...during the Start Down and even during the Downstroke, they will feel as though they remain at the Top of the Stroke. That is because they enjoy a fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder during the Pivot's Delivery of the Power Package into Release (6-K-0), and there is no independent motion of the Hands until they have been delivered to the Release Point.
In other words, if the Hands are at Top -- Right Shoulder high and On Plane - and the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane (as pulled by the Hip Turn and its Action) then the Hands will feel 'in the same place,' namely, in their same fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder. Only when the Right Arm begins to straighten in Release and the Hands begin their move away from the Right Shoulder will the player experience their independent motion.
Million thanks to generous replies.
TGM, as Mr. Homer Kelley as well as Yoda said, there is always an answer.
Before TGM and then this wonderful web site, I am just a hacker loaded with golf related video and information in my 80G hard disk, however contradictory and incomplete.
Believe it or not, I transformed Yoda’s video into pad phone format so that I can listen and view all the time. In my last game, I put on my ear set in my way to a golf course in China, Yoda and Jeff as if giving me a lesson before I play, even sometime I felt asleep.(a bad student) I drove all day distance long, 20-30 yards longer. In a short straight Par 4, I drove a 283 yards to the green ended up with 40 feet 3-putt. What made me crazy are not the 3-putts but my swing thought of “leave them (hands) there, slide (hip), fly out” as my mechanical to feel reminder.
In Swinging, I felt like hands action inactive, they always seek to line-up by themselves with horizontal hinging. That’s why Mr. Homer Kelley said he don’t like swinging as it was easy? For my understanding, a straight line move (hip slide?) avoids the force first, and then applies longitudinally. Am i on the correct road?
Sorry for one more question, is that hands action will be more “active” in hitting procedure then?
The short answer, KOC, is that the player always drives his Hands (Lag Pressure) toward the Ball (6-G-0). But as your post suggests, there is more to learn here.
In full Pivot Strokes (Maximum Swing Radius), the Centrifugal Downstroke Sequence (6-M-1) (of both the Pivot and the Power Package) is a chain reaction from the Feet up. The work of Educated Hands is to sense and align this Force. And proper alignment of the Hands and their Down Plane Delivery Path requires that the Right Hip 'Clear' from the Top. In this sense, the work of the Pivot is reactive to the intended purpose of the Hands -- to precisely propel their Load Down Plane (6-E-2-1) -- even though it does, in fact, initiate the Action.
So what do the Hands do from the Top? First, they continue their Grip function as Clamps (for controlling Clubface alignments) and, also, their On Plane alignment functions (aiming the Lag Pressure). Then, they begin their drive toward the Ball. However, during the Start Down and even during the Downstroke, they will feel as though they remain at the Top of the Stroke. That is because they enjoy a fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder during the Pivot's Delivery of the Power Package into Release (6-K-0), and there is no independent motion of the Hands until they have been delivered to the Release Point.
In other words, if the Hands are at Top -- Right Shoulder high and On Plane - and the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane (as pulled by the Hip Turn and its Action) then the Hands will feel 'in the same place,' namely, in their same fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder. Only when the Hands begin their move away from the Right Shoulder and the Right Arm thus begins to straighten in Release will the player experience their independent motion.
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That is because they enjoy a fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder during the Pivot's Delivery of the Power Package into Release (6-K-0), and there is no independent motion of the Hands until they have been delivered to the Release Point.
The short answer, KOC, is that the player always drives his Hands (Lag Pressure) toward the Ball (6-G-0). But as your post suggests, there is more to learn here.
In full Pivot Strokes (Maximum Swing Radius), the Centrifugal Downstroke Sequence (6-M-1) (of both the Pivot and the Power Package) is a chain reaction from the Feet up. The work of Educated Hands is to sense and align this Force. And proper alignment of the Hands and their Down Plane Delivery Path requires that the Right Hip 'Clear' from the Top. In this sense, the work of the Pivot is reactive to the intended purpose of the Hands -- to precisely propel their Load Down Plane (6-E-2-1) -- even though it does, in fact, initiate the Action.
So what do the Hands do from the Top? First, they continue their Grip function as Clamps (for controlling Clubface alignments) and, also, their On Plane alignment functions (aiming the Lag Pressure). Then, they begin their drive toward the Ball. However, during the Start Down and even during the Downstroke, they will feel as though they remain at the Top of the Stroke. That is because they enjoy a fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder during the Pivot's Delivery of the Power Package into Release (6-K-0), and there is no independent motion of the Hands until they have been delivered to the Release Point.
In other words, if the Hands are at Top -- Right Shoulder high and On Plane - and the Right Shoulder moves Down Plane (as pulled by the Hip Turn and its Action) then the Hands will feel 'in the same place,' namely, in their same fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder. Only when the Hands begin their move away from the Right Shoulder and the Right Arm thus begins to straighten in Release will the player experience their independent motion.
A few points to clarify . . .
First of all, this is without question the most illuminating description of the Hand Controlled Pivot I have read.
To piggy back on the original question that brought this about . . . at the Top particularly for the Swinger it is THE INTENT of the hands to make they journey down plane that essentially causes the Pivot Train to kick in to gear no?
And . . .
The Hands remain in their relationship with the Right Shoulder until they move away via the straigtening of the right arm, but this is permitted only by the release of the #4 Accumulator in keeping with the 4,1,2,3 sequence. So what is it that holds the Hands in their fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder? Would it be the inertia of the Lever Assemblies?
I wonder if some may have difficulty understanding this considering that it is the Right Arm that is always striving to straighten. So with the "Centrifugal Downstroke Sequence" (Feet, Knees, Hips, Shoulders, Arms, Right Elbow, Left Wristcock and/or Left Hand Rotation) for the Swinger, the Right Arm is Striving To Remain Straight via CF? In other words, it wants to go to straight via being Thrown Out or slung out by the Pivot?
Thanks again for taking the effort to construct that fantastic post!
That is because they enjoy a fixed relationship with the Right Shoulder during the Pivot's Delivery of the Power Package into Release (6-K-0), and there is no independent motion of the Hands until they have been delivered to the Release Point.
Is this what is meant by "staying connected?"
Not really . . . I think that the "staying connected" thing that was popularized by Jimmy Ballard is very much different than what has been described by Pokechop. The Ballard connection is FORCED . . . where as the loaded #4 Pressure Point is a connection CAUSED BY FORCE . . . the down plane thrust of the right shoulder.
Take a few hard swings left hand only keeping the left arm SOFT. You will feel the "connection" . . . but it is not something that YOU HOLD . . . it is something that is caused by LAG and the pivot blasting the left arm into impact.
There is "Ballard type connection" and then there is G.O.L.F. connection . . . I'll take the latter.
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