I believe it is simple.The LOAD on the vertical left wrist hinge pin ,-and consequently the right wrist bend,is substantial.This is particularly evident in swingers using snap loading.
In a previous post,elsewhere on this forum,there was a lot of debate about right wrist bend and cocked right wrist(referencing Sergio).
When checking out the amount the left wrist can cock and the right wrist can bend -DO NOT do it "statically".You simply can't get your left wrist to maximum cocked position unless you load it.
Try this;
Put your left forearm out in front of you,elbow against your side ,palm down,make a fist ,thumb out to the right as if you were holding a club parallel to the ground .Cock your wrist -now pull on your left thumb toward you -your wrist will cock at least a fraction more.
Place the palm of your right hand against a wall,fingers pointing to the right so the wrist is bent at the maximum you can naturally achieve by just bending,now lean your body to the right -the angle between the forearm and wrist reduces,way beyond what you can achieve statically.
In both cases you have have achieved the maximum angle you can achieve by LOADING. Call it load ,call it torque, call it reduced angle-call it what you want, (I am not one to go into detailed Physics like other forums -Homer used terms he felt were best-I'm not going in the centrifugal/centripetal hole).
As in a lot of the book ,you don't get the true picture until you MOVE-I suspect Homer suggests doing short strokes first for a reason MONITORING.
In the full swing this is difficult -so we translate mechanics into FEEL,and the feel of 100% LAG PRESSURE in SWINGING will cock that left wrist more(for most people) than you can just by moving your hand.
Daryl, you are back with a VENGEANCE!!!
Hi Neil,
It's just my Winter Golf Starvation period. OCD. I've been laughing outloud at some of the things Bucket and you guys are saying and my Wife looks at me like I'm a nut.
Anyway, I agree with what you're saying. The force of Loading can Cock the Wrist(s) to a greater extent than static Cocking. And I agree that Motion adds another dimension to each component.
Do you think, that a Late Release is caused by the mechanically more acute angle between Left Arm and Shaft (or something else?), or is Delayed Release simply a decision the Golfer makes and then merely prevents (somehow?) Throwout from occurring at its normal place.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is; Is there a relationship between Cocking Angle and Release Point in un-manipulated Swings?
It's just my Winter Golf Starvation period. OCD. I've been laughing outloud at some of the things Bucket and you guys are saying and my Wife looks at me like I'm a nut.
Anyway, I agree with what you're saying. The force of Loading can Cock the Wrist(s) to a greater extent than static Cocking. And I agree that Motion adds another dimension to each component.
Do you think, that a Late Release is caused by the mechanically more acute angle between Left Arm and Shaft (or something else?), or is Delayed Release simply a decision the Golfer makes and then merely prevents (somehow?) Throwout from occurring at its normal place.
I guess what I'm trying to ask is; Is there a relationship between Cocking Angle and Release Point in un-manipulated Swings?
I think-just let it happen.
Regardless of the amount of wristcock,wrist angle-whatever ,if you use automatic or non automatic release -it's all about intention .Decide you're going to manually(non automatic) release ,then roll -or just let it go.
So, to answer the question,-no ,it is what works for you .
I've been laughing outloud . . . my Wife looks at me like I'm a nut.
Hmmmmmm . . . a grown man laughing randomly out loud at a computer screen . . .are you doing any random rocking as well? Sounds like Mrs. Daryl could be accurate in her diagnosis. The slope is slippery . . . and leads to great wailing and nashing of teeth.
If a mid-70's vintage van shows up at your home air brushed with Barney riding a unicorn with Elvis in the distant background holding hands with a scantily clad mermaid with abnormally large cannolli's riding a chariot of fire with bumper sticker that says "yeah that's right I picked it . . . and I'm going to eat it too."
I would strongly suggest not opening the door if the gentleman knocks . . . it's probably a CERTAIN member of our forum that has been attempting to "stay away" . . . but is having serious emotional problems and internal strife (ironically that begin with the symptoms you happen to be experiencing as well).
Stop the snowball from rolling while you still can. If you can't get help here . . .get help somewhere.
I tried just one time to explain to her what was so funny, and she said: "That's it! You've lost your grasp. We're going out this weekend." So now I won't be around Saturday. And she moved 2 of my clubs to one of the closets in the Foyer. She grabbed the Dowel and asked; What's this stick for? I replied: "Put-that-back"; "please." She did. She shook her head. Go figure.
If swinging...doesn't a level right wrist just "occur" if you release the club naturally and swing with essentials....?
The conscious effort to maintain it at level is surely only important if you are actively thrusting with your right elbow...then you have to maintain it to get on plane thrust...?
You are right that the left wrist cock allows the body to turn more quickly but i think that if you turn to quickly you can easily initiate throw out action too early. So whilst you can turn quickly it is hard to keep the club from throwing out....
I think that you should only turn as quickly as you can to allow the hands to take their desired path.
And I think that is slower hands than most people think if you want a max trigger delay style....
The slow hands allows max trigger delay which, via endless belt, gives good distance despite slow hands....
If your forearms can delay release whilst the hands take straight line path then you can turn quickly....
But i think that for most people you achieve trigger delay by slowing your turning motion...IMO...not saying this is gospel but just the way i have read the book and experienced it....so correct me if you think i am wrong...any thoughts?
If swinging...doesn't a level right wrist just "occur" if you release the club naturally and swing with essentials....?
The conscious effort to maintain it at level is surely only important if you are actively thrusting with your right elbow...then you have to maintain it to get on plane thrust...?
You are right that the left wrist cock allows the body to turn more quickly but i think that if you turn to quickly you can easily initiate throw out action too early. So whilst you can turn quickly it is hard to keep the club from throwing out....
I think that you should only turn as quickly as you can to allow the hands to take their desired path.
And I think that is slower hands than most people think if you want a max trigger delay style....
The slow hands allows max trigger delay which, via endless belt, gives good distance despite slow hands....
If your forearms can delay release whilst the hands take straight line path then you can turn quickly....
But i think that for most people you achieve trigger delay by slowing your turning motion...IMO...not saying this is gospel but just the way i have read the book and experienced it....so correct me if you think i am wrong...any thoughts?
The reason that anyone and everyone unintentionally Cocks their Right Wrist during the backswing, is because they Don’t get their Right Shoulder Back to the Plane. If you Cock Your Right Wrist you have a Lateral Sway to the right whether you want to believe it or not. Your Left Shoulder may be turning to the right but your right shoulder is not equally and simultaneously going back. Your Right Elbow is collapsing because it’s being crowded and you have no choice but to cock your right wrist because your right Elbow can’t raise as your left arm raises.
Most Pros have a level Right Wrist (including Tiger) more than halfway back, but then their Right Wrist Cocks at the Top of their Swing because their Right Shoulder just won't turn any farther or becaue they have the ridiculous idea that at the Top of every backswing, that their Clubshaft must be parallel to the ground and point at the target. Hmm? Where did they get that idea?
The solution is Extensor Action or put your Level Right Wrist is a cast at address. Then your Right Shoulder will be forced back to the Plane by your Educated Hands and Right Elbow. Also, If you start your Backswing by moving the Shoulders as in the Classic One-Piece-Takeaway, they have no clue where to go or how far back it is to the Plane. If you start with the Right Forearm Takeaway, and don’t sway, and keep your weight back toward your heels, you will keep a Level Right Wrist and your Hands will direct and move your Right Shoulder back to the Plane.
It gets even better than that. Your Educated Hands will move your Right Should Back as far as the Length of your Backswing dictates and requires. No more guessing how far to turn your shoulders. An Additional benefit is the Straight Line Delivery Path, and bla, bla, bla.
And she moved 2 of my clubs to one of the closets in the Foyer. She grabbed the Dowel and asked; What's this stick for? I replied: "Put-that-back"; "please." She did. She shook her head. Go figure.
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