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02-06-2008, 07:08 PM
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Lag
Originally Posted by Yoda
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Here we go:
Take a look at Frame 4.

This is Pivot Lag (with its Downstroke Shoulder Turn Lag per 6-B-4-C) and the Downstroke Release Sequence as explained in 2-M-1.
For those who believe that the 'Magic of the Right Forearm' involves a straightening of the Right Elbow ('Forearm' action) from the Top, please understand that there may be a tremendous difference between Feel and Real.
The Pivot Delivers the Power Package -- Assembled, Loaded and intact with its Power Stored -- deep into the Downstroke. Only then is it Released (the lengthening of the Third Side of the Triangle, the straightening Right Arm).
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Love the way pic #4 shows such great lag storage. You can almost feel the lag in PP2! Looks like a classic case of the swinger's PP#3 being rotated to the top of the shaft. (Ref Yoda's "PP#3 Where Are You" video).
Nice isoloation for comparison.
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02-06-2008, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock
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Okay, I think I see what you mean, Lee Buck's head is a lot further left at impact than Duval's, same with after impact. I think we were having a debate on semantics more than anything.
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I don't care what you do on your own time . . . but you and Mike can do whatever you do with semantics in your own closets.
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02-06-2008, 08:28 PM
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Semantics
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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I don't care what you do on your own time . . . but you and Mike can do whatever you do with semantics in your own closets.
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What are you doing saying thinking when I do think I said that you should YA that's right then if you listen to what I said you would know that when the semantics aren't left you would not be able to go there - I think because yes I was there - well you would need to go under and then - Oh of course- now what were you talking about?  Does anyone know where I put my medicine?
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02-06-2008, 08:37 PM
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Dear Bucket,
Please locate your copy of The Golfing Machine. What color is the Book Cover? If there are Animals on the front cover, I’m afraid you’re referencing a different book.
I read in the “Homecoming” thread that Yoda may offer a pre-clinic -TGM-cram-session the day before the seminar begins. I personal messaged him and begged him to reserve a front row seat for you.
At the HEART of TGM is the Principle that the Right wrist remains bent and level from start-up to finish swivel so that the Clubhead travels at the same RPM as the Right Hand during this time. The Right elbow, allows the Left Wrist to Cock and Uncock.
By the way; that picture thing of David Duval,,Idon’t know how he ever made it on tour with that swing.
I wish I didn’t have this little Laptop, and I have time constraints, or I’d write a two page explanation. 
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02-06-2008, 08:52 PM
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6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter  the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).
Bold by Daryl. And Bucket? May I ask? If the Left Wrist is always Flat, the the Right Wrist is always Level and ______________?
And, if the Right Wrist is ALWAYS Level and Bent, then doesn't the Clubhead travel at the same RPM as the Right Hand??
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Last edited by Daryl : 02-06-2008 at 08:55 PM.
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02-06-2008, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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I wish I didn’t have this little Laptop, and I have time constraints, or I’d write a two page explanation.
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Homer analyzed Bobby Clampett's swing and he did not hesitate to point out those matters that he felt were less than optimal. I understand criticizing one's analysis, but I don't understand criticizing the act of analysis.
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The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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02-06-2008, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mrodock
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Homer analyzed Bobby Clampett's swing and he did not hesitate to point out those matters that he felt were less than optimal. I understand criticizing one's analysis, but I don't understand criticizing the act of analysis.
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I'm Italian. Believe me, it's normal. 
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02-07-2008, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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Dear Bucket,
Please locate your copy of The Golfing Machine. What color is the Book Cover? If there are Animals on the front cover, I’m afraid you’re referencing a different book.
I read in the “Homecoming” thread that Yoda may offer a pre-clinic -TGM-cram-session the day before the seminar begins. I personal messaged him and begged him to reserve a front row seat for you.
At the HEART of TGM is the Principle that the Right wrist remains bent and level from start-up to finish swivel so that the Clubhead travels at the same RPM as the Right Hand during this time. The Right elbow, allows the Left Wrist to Cock and Uncock.
By the way; that picture thing of David Duval,,Idon’t know how he ever made it on tour with that swing.
I wish I didn’t have this little Laptop, and I have time constraints, or I’d write a two page explanation.
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Dude you are the best!!!! Have you ever rammed your car into a tree because you told it to move and it wouldn't?
So let me axe you a question . . . If with a true 10-2-D grip the Left Wrist Cocks in the plane of the Right Wrist Bend . . . Could the Right Wrist not UNBEND inorder for the Left Wrist to Uncock? Looks like to me that's what Freddy does . . . Double D doesn't and Lee doesn't . . .But Freddy does.
When you get back from Jackson's Hole . . . please present your dissertation on why Double D's motion sux. That should be good for about 300 more posts.
You haven't got your tongue stuck to no flag poles out there in winter wonderland have you?
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02-07-2008, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).
Bold by Daryl. And Bucket? May I ask? If the Left Wrist is always Flat, the the Right Wrist is always Level and ______________?
And, if the Right Wrist is ALWAYS Level and Bent, then doesn't the Clubhead travel at the same RPM as the Right Hand??
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But there's that pesky word he left in your bold underlined dealie . . . "ideally"
But I'd say yes . . . "ideally" they have the same RPM . . .
"ideally" I'd look like Tom Cruise instead of Richard Crews . . . "ideally" Mrodock wouldn't need have a sex change to be a woman . . . "ideally" Lynn wouldn't have pissed off Mike O and be roasting marshmellows as his home burns to the ground . . .
Lattitude not platitudes my man.
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02-07-2008, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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But there's that pesky word he left in your bold underlined dealie . . . "ideally"
But I'd say yes . . . "ideally" they have the same RPM . . .
"ideally" I'd look like Tom Cruise instead of Richard Crews . . . "ideally" Mrodock wouldn't need have a sex change to be a woman . . . "ideally" Lynn wouldn't have pissed off Mike O and be roasting marshmellows as his home burns to the ground . . .
Lattitude not platitudes my man.
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First of all, Mike O says that you look just as good as Tom Cruise; from behind. I thought Mrodock was a woman? She's not? I thought she was a Grad Student in Wisconsin. Girlscouting or sumthin?
Secondly, I’m glad you brought that up. The word “Ideally”. Homer knows that the Right Wrist and Clubhead, will always have the same RPM (In TGM). The word “Ideally” refers to those when using 10-2-B.
He is saying that if you use 10-2-B, then the ideal Hands To Plane alignments exist for both hands. Flat Left Wrist, and Level Right Wrist simultaneously, and not just Level and Bent Right Wrist with just any other Left Wrist Alignment.
Damn. I'm really getting good at this stuff. 
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Last edited by Daryl : 02-07-2008 at 01:13 AM.
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