OTT move cured by Float Loading?
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05-09-2010, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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The #3 Pressure Point has ONLY enough Pressure to allow you to sense the Clubshaft angle and direction. DO NOT Load the #3 Pressure Point any more than that (Until you're an expert - trust me).
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What is this "Load and Throw" tendency all about? It is a real problem. I have a pal who loads like Hogan but immediately tosses it all away. He's so close to golfing bliss. And so far away too. Im guilty of it too unless Im swinging at dandelions in my yard. Put the ball in front of me and I toss it. Homer said that most pro's are in the process of throwing the club, they're just better at it. He had some exceptions of course, Trevino for one.
Why do we not sustain the Lag Pressure when confronted with the ball? There must be a cure. Staying away from #3 pressure is like staying away from love, isnt it?
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05-09-2010, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left
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What is this "Load and Throw" tendency all about? It is a real problem. I have a pal who loads like Hogan but immediately tosses it all away. He's so close to golfing bliss. And so far away too. Im guilty of it too unless Im swinging at dandelions in my yard. Put the ball in front of me and I toss it. Homer said that most pro's are in the process of throwing the club, they're just better at it. He had some exceptions of course, Trevino for one.
Why do we not sustain the Lag Pressure when confronted with the ball? There must be a cure. Staying away from #3 pressure is like staying away from love, isnt it?
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The #3 PP pushes against the Shaft which is Radial Pressure (bad for Swingers). When the Hands slightly slow as Throwout occurs then hand speed can't sustain the lag because the shaft jolts away from the #3 PP like it's jumping off a trampoline. Technically, it's still called swinging.
It's a bad situation because the harder you swing, the worse the Trampoline problem becomes. The Clubhead ends up leading the Shaft into Impact and Rolling is out of the question, and Angled Hinging becomes firmly implanted into your Stroke Pattern. An Experienced Player can overcome this problem because His Pivot is responsible for the #3 Accumulator Roll and he can manipulate the acceleration of the secondary lever.
Pulling on a Bell's Rope Handle offers more than enough Clubhead Lag feel while the #3 PP is used only for sensing direction and Plane Angle.
Clubhead Lag is when the Clubshaft Bends while overcoming Clubhead Inertia at Start-down.
Oh, one last important point. You cannot use the Rope Handle procedure if you shift to the Elbow Plane during the Downstroke. They are Incompatible Procedures. Plane Shifters can use a somewhat similar procedure called "grip it and rip it". Grip firmly.
Last edited by Daryl : 05-09-2010 at 04:15 PM.
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05-09-2010, 05:07 PM
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Thanks D
Post #2 is great but post #1 was just what I was looking for. Gonna give that a try on the range tomorrow. Ive been throwing the club lately and actually getting pretty close to really throwing a club or two. A straight line from the #3 pp at Top to the Aiming Point. How'd I miss that one. Bungee jumping! Rose Bud.
Ill be on TV soon, I can feel it. And it aint gonna be on Cops this time, never again.
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05-09-2010, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left
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What is this "Load and Throw" tendency all about? It is a real problem. I have a pal who loads like Hogan but immediately tosses it all away. He's so close to golfing bliss. And so far away too. Im guilty of it too unless Im swinging at dandelions in my yard. Put the ball in front of me and I toss it. Homer said that most pro's are in the process of throwing the club, they're just better at it. He had some exceptions of course, Trevino for one.
Why do we not sustain the Lag Pressure when confronted with the ball? There must be a cure. Staying away from #3 pressure is like staying away from love, isnt it?
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This is the big one for me.
This is entire post defines my problem in a nut shell.
I can practice swing with drag loading with no problem
I can practice swing with float loading with no problem
I can actually swing with float loading with no problem
I cannot actually swing with drag loading without going OTT
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05-09-2010, 09:12 PM
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05-09-2010, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by grantc79
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The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.
The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.
You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.
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Hi innercityteacher,
I have no idea what "throwing the vertical hinge down" means.
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05-09-2010, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
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The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.
The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.
You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.
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Thank you for the compliment.
For some reason float loading just makes sense to me. My entire body feels very relaxed up to the top and I know as soon as I get the club up there I can just let everything drop and turn like crazy.
What had me struggling horribly was sensing the #3 PP at the top and having it do what I wanted it to rather than what it wanted to (which was hit me in the back of the head).
With float loading I can make it stay, move under plane, or move over plane at will.
That said, I'm still not quite sure how to get that right shoulder more down plane.
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05-09-2010, 10:15 PM
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Another fun thing about this is with a normal drag load or drive load I'm not so noisy.
As soon as I started experimenting with the float loading and accepting that huge lag load onto #3 PP without dumping it got very, very noisy in my garage.
It literally sounds like war is being waged in my garage at impact.
It is a very, very loud crack. Told my wife who can actually hear it in the bedroom now over the TV and she's like "that is a good thing right?"
Just took another video of my swing with a line placed on my shoulder at address and I'm maybe getting one inch under that line at impact.
Any ideas as to how to get more I am all ears.
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05-09-2010, 11:37 PM
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The Drills video-uncocking the left wrist.
Here is the video:
Originally Posted by Daryl
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The Clubshaft is on the Elbow Plane at the Top of the Swing. The Float Loading shifts the Shaft to - dead on - the Turned Shoulder Plane which you continue into Impact.
The Float Load is difficult to see from Down the Line, but you execute this beautifully. You make it look easy. Nice Pivot and Hip Action too.
You still need 4 more inches of right shoulder travel.
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Hi innercityteacher,
I have no idea what "throwing the vertical hinge down" means.
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