Alignments Vs. Positions

[drewitgolf]

Let me re-word this for you Mike. In an Uncompensated Stroke, all 24 Component Motions and Alignments should not do anything which makes an off Plane Motion, unless for psychological need.

Before I bite any further, would you be so kind as to define "right reasons" and "Component Alignment and Relationship Feels" in your last post?

[Mike O]

Before I bite any further, would you be so kind as to define "right reasons" and "Component Alignment and Relationship Feels" in your last post?

That's the quote from the book - not my words - however I'll throw out a couple of quick thoughts:

You should not only be doing it "correctly" but also for the right reasons or its inconsistency will plague you endlessly. Garbage in - garbage out. Replace any inclination toward "Component Position and Location Feel" with "Component Alignment and Relationship Feel."

1) That paragraph really goes with and supports the 2nd paragraph in the preface of the 7th edition (page XI) or likewise the 1st paragraph in the 6th edition (page VII)
2) "Right Reasons" - I included the quote above - it's important to understand the context in which it is written. He's saying you have to be a thinker, understand the context, the relationships, the alignment of something - you can't just not think, get into a position and "see if it works" - without considering the other factors involved. It's a thinking man's game. In contrast if you don't understand the nature, relationships, causes of the position and merely "copy" it without thinking, understanding it - you will be plagued with inconsistency.
3) "Component Alignment and Relationship Feel" - Again, he's comparing it to "Component Position and Location Feel" - In the one you are thinking of the context, the relationships, understanding the individual item but also understanding it's relationship to the whole, to it's neighbors, to the "web", the motion. As opposed to the non-thinker, isolating a position and that feel - without understanding it's nature, the relationship to itself and others. The Thinker wants to know - what are it's causes, what influences it, what is it's nature, how is it influenced. The non- thinker doesn't want to expend the effort.

Finally, I'm not saying you can't define a broader perspective of "component alignments" - you probably could - however I'm not sure it would the best-clearest answer to the question that started this post and it wouldn't invalidate my definitions - rather mine would be underneath the umbrella of a wider application/definition. Love to learn - if you have any different perspectives.

[O.B.Left]

Positions may or may not be Aligned.

Aligned motion creates the positions we admire. Not vice versa.

To merely copy the positions without the motion or the alignments will no doubt fail to replicate results of the famous golfers whose positions we admire.

Many have copied Mr Hogans positions, for instance but few have achieved his Alignments .......let alone his results. Uh well nobody has actually.

We're all unique physically. Our positions can reflect that uniqueness. Say you had a golfer who could bend his left thumb back to touch his forearm....he'd probably display a pretty acute #2 Angle at Top or End but does that mean that position is the ideal for you or me? NO! I cant do that physically. I love Mr Hogans swing but remember he got his rear end spanked regularly by a guy who didnt cock his left wrist much till he started down and drove his knees at the target .....Lord Byron. We all have unique physical traits , abilities ,strengths , weaknesses , flexibilities etc. Play to your strengths....via alignments. Positions are more resultant. More effect than cause.

Moe Norman....."Dont swing like Moe , swing like you!"

Positions are a moment frozen in time by a camera.......golf is a motion which is best aligned .... to something. I like the plane line. In so doing you display some nice positions.

[O.B.Left]

Wait a minute .........the whole 1st chapter is about the difference between position golf and alignment golf isnt it?

Yoda?

[drewitgolf]

Per 2-F, All the action of the golf club takes place on a flat, inflexible Inclined Plane, which extends well beyond the circumference of the stroke-in every direction. The full length of the clubshaft remains unwaveringly on the face of this Inclined Plane-Waggle to Follow-through. EVERY other Component of the Stroke must be adjusted to comply with that requirement.

While Mike does a nice job of defining what alignments are, the preceding statement defines what is aligned. It may not answer the initial question, but if that were the case this would be a very short thread. That is my story and I am sticking to it. Besides, I need this post to keep my total ahead of Mikey.

[Mike O]

Let me begin by covering the important items first:
1) Your post count hasn't gone un-noticed - and it's creating a particular pain for me!
2) The fact that I have 2 feet of snow on the ground still - and you're getting ready for the season - also is causing me a particular pain!
3) I've had BamBam block any further posting from you - in this particular thread - to prevent arbitrary posting to jack your post count up further! All of your posts are currently under review - the panel - at it's own discretion will be adjusting your post count accordingly within the next week.

Finally, if NDWolf81 has any other questions regarding this topic - fire away - otherwise we'll assume that we've answered "his/her" question - sufficiently.

[Mike O]

Post 1215 .

[Mike O]

Per 2-F, All the action of the golf club takes place on a flat, inflexible Inclined Plane, which extends well beyond the circumference of the stroke-in every direction. The full length of the clubshaft remains unwaveringly on the face of this Inclined Plane-Waggle to Follow-through. EVERY other Component of the Stroke must be adjusted to comply with that requirement.

While Mike does a nice job of defining what alignments are, the preceding statement defines what is aligned. It may not answer the initial question, but if that were the case this would be a very short thread. That is my story and I am sticking to it. Besides, I need this post to keep my total ahead of Mikey

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Wow! Now that was a long post! Again, Bam Bam removed it! In fact, he now has banned you from all posting - so you'll be sticking at 1225 and all you can do now is watch my numbers go right by you! RED RUM, RED RUM, RED RUM!

[Daryl]

It seems to me

[drewitgolf]

RED RUM, RED RUM, RED RUM!

See Bam Bam. He fell right into our trap. I told you if we just waited a little longer and played his disingenuous, insane game, he would reveal his true nature and also the fact that he is dyslexic. Ignore his cries for "pleh".