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Old 01-08-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by labrador View Post
Many thanks for Your skillful review O.B.Left!

My problem, however, with the RFT, as I now retrospectively see was that it created tensions in the same right side that I employ for swinging, thereby reducing swing speed and sometimes resulting in round housing.

With the new left sided takeaway, (low and slow ) I feel completely relaxed in the right side at the top and in the start of the downswing.

But my better ball striking with the new takeaway may of course partly be a placebo effect resulting from the positive psychology of something completely new.
MASTERFUL reply from Mr. OB, as always!

May I add one thought to your particular predicament from my simple mind?

What if your back stroke is POWERED by your left arm, but the ALIGNMENTS are MANAGED by the right elbow and forearm? Get the difference? Personally, I can't imagine teaching a backstroke that isn't aligned via the RFT, but lots of ways to skin a cat!

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Old 01-08-2012, 05:40 PM
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Great post, O.B.

A careful read will clear up several major misconceptions (not the least of which is that the Pivot is inactive during Start Up when using the Right Forearm Takeaway).

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Old 01-08-2012, 10:37 PM
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Lynn , you have , in my opinion, as good a Startup as anyone in golf, past or present. Someday Im going to crack its code, dang nabit. Someday. I have this feeling that you " dug it out of the dirt".

Lag and Drag. Casper, Melhourne , Homer, McDonald, Bertholy , Nelson , Hogan... Im digging hard.

Someday .
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Old 01-09-2012, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
MASTERFUL reply from Mr. OB, as always!

May I add one thought to your particular predicament from my simple mind?

[S]What if your back stroke is POWERED by your left arm, but the ALIGNMENTS are MANAGED by the right elbow and forearm? Get the difference? Personally, I can't imagine teaching a backstroke that isn't aligned via the RFT, but lots of ways to skin a cat![/S]

Kevin
I'm thinking this was a really boneheaded post. Gotta stick with what I'm being taught and not make up junkie stuff on the fly.

RFT, stick with it!

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Old 01-09-2012, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
MASTERFUL reply from Mr. OB, as always!

May I add one thought to your particular predicament from my simple mind?

What if your back stroke is POWERED by your left arm, but the ALIGNMENTS are MANAGED by the right elbow and forearm? Get the difference? Personally, I can't imagine teaching a backstroke that isn't aligned via the RFT, but lots of ways to skin a cat!

Kevin
Kev theres a lot of way to get it done. Use what ever works for you. Left Side push away or whatever. One of my faves the Mechanic is Shoulder Turn Takeaway , Pivot to Hands, heck pivot to pony tail even and always with the awesome shoes. Geez Bobby Clampet had a shoulder turn takeaway, pivot to hands and afro . What a swing though on that guy.... man.

But if you want to try it Homer style ......the left arm is inert . Meaning it doesn't power itself either on the backswing or the downswing for fuller shots. The exception being the Pull Minor Basic Stroke , #4 accumulator only ...the left arm pull putting or short chipping stroke where the pivot #1 , the #3 Angle and the #2 left wrist cock are zeroed . Once the Pivot gets involved the left arm moves but not of its own muscular power. Its motivated either by the RFT (for me from the #1pp the same one I use for EA) or the left shoulder's motion (which is really a product of some Right Shoulder work for me anyways).

A total shocker for guys who learned the game back in the dark ages of golf instruction.....the 70's. Back then there was maybe one guy who used an RFT that I can think of anyways or mentioned it in a book. He "dug it out of sand" on the beach in Paderno .....self taught but masterful Seve Ballesteros.

The tell tale sign of a push away is often Angled Hinging on the takeaway. Was for me anyways.

Hey Kev when you do the Melhourne continuous hitting and walking along a line of balls drill do you feel your left arm push away subside to some degree? I do and try to get that feel into my swing, my swing away. Still a work in progress. The darn seventies are hard to shake man.
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Old 01-09-2012, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Kev theres a lot of way to get it done. Use what ever works for you. Left Side push away or whatever. One of my faves the Mechanic is Shoulder Turn Takeaway , Pivot to Hands, heck pivot to pony tail even and always with the awesome shoes. Geez Bobby Clampet had a shoulder turn takeaway, pivot to hands and afro . What a swing though on that guy.... man.

But if you want to try it Homer style ......the left arm is inert . Meaning it doesn't power itself either on the backswing or the downswing for fuller shots. The exception being the Pull Minor Basic Stroke , #4 accumulator only ...the left arm pull putting or short chipping stroke where the pivot #1 , the #3 Angle and the #2 left wrist cock are zeroed . Once the Pivot gets involved the left arm moves but not of its own muscular power. Its motivated either by the RFT (for me from the #1pp the same one I use for EA) or the left shoulder's motion (which is really a product of some Right Shoulder work for me anyways).

A total shocker for guys who learned the game back in the dark ages of golf instruction.....the 70's. Back then there was maybe one guy who used an RFT that I can think of anyways or mentioned it in a book. He "dug it out of sand" on the beach in Paderno .....self taught but masterful Seve Ballesteros.

The tell tale sign of a push away is often Angled Hinging on the takeaway. Was for me anyways.

Hey Kev when you do the Melhourne continuous hitting and walking along a line of balls drill do you feel your left arm push away subside to some degree? I do and try to get that feel into my swing, my swing away. Still a work in progress. The darn seventies are hard to shake man.
Thanks for reinforcing my boneheadedness. See my later post on this. I want to teach as Homer Kelley would wish, I need to not fly by the seat of my pants with bad information. It's all in the book, I just need to work at it!

OB, I couldn't do the Melhorn drill without having a heart attack. I'm working on that, with Yoda's help and ideas. The PRIMAL BLUEPRINT. I've played like 5 rounds total the past 5 years. 2012 will be the return of Kevin, no tournaments, I just want to be able to play with my friends. I'll report on my Melhorn drill feels in the Spring.

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Old 01-09-2012, 10:04 PM
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Thanks for reinforcing my boneheadedness. See my later post on this. I want to teach as Homer Kelley would wish, I need to not fly by the seat of my pants with bad information. It's all in the book, I just need to work at it!
Not my intention to reinforce that at all. My apologies if I came across that way Kev.

I didn't know you hadn't played much lately.... sorry to hear that. I think of you as a playa , who knows his sheet. Hope you get back on the course soon.

I was just trying to say its ok to push it back with the left arm if it works for you.... uh didn't Jack do this?

You got options. I had my ass handed to me again this past summer by my cross handed nemesis , in the match play C. .... the guys older too, only took up the game a few years back. He's got my number and whole bunch of other guys too....he once won the champ of champs in the local area. He is my hero when it comes to options.

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LOL Not at all OB. Just little laugh at myself!
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