Aligning the Clubface

[Mike O]

HB Quote: "I have said #1 does not exist. The "true swinger" alignments are a SPECIAL CASE of manipulative hands."

As I understand it. The "true" swinger is defined where clubface alignment is automatic via CF and is confined to a single impact alignment by the physics of CF for streight-away flight. I (my points in this discussion not TGM)see it as a alignment that doesn't require manipulation (special) but still is Flat Left Hand clubface control.

Your view - as you stated clearly above is that in a true swinging procedure (as you correctly identified it per TGM) you see it as a clubface alignment that is under the control of the flat left wrist through impact but doesn't require manipulation - now if I quoted you correctly (with my additional words for clarification in Orange) then that wouldn't appear to me to make any sense if you used my definition of "manipulation". Your feedback is invited

My definition: "Hand Manipulation requires one to identify the lead hand condition (For example Flat, Level and Vertical)and the corresponding clubface alignment intended for impact via impact fix AND then if one has some intent, focus, awareness to return to that lead hand location to control the clubface alignment at impact"

[HungryBear]

May I start by re-posting this link I put back in #69

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ipulated+hands

and this post from eithin the aqbove link- I extracted from and linked in #83

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/post32114-8.html

Some of this is what informed my def.

These are important .

I will edit within, below.

HB Quote: "I have said #1 does not exist. The "true swinger" alignments are a SPECIAL CASE of manipulative hands."

As I understand it. The "true" swinger is defined where clubface alignment is automatic via CF and is confined to a single impact alignment by the physics of CF for streight-away flight.

Separation is intentional- Note; I do not put "left hand" into Def because I believe the TGM intent is to say cf aligns the clubface and incidently also asligns the left hand. a special case.

I (my points in this discussion not TGM)see it as a alignment that doesn't require manipulation (special) but still is Flat Left Hand clubface control.

My point is that the laft hand is controled. even for the "true swinger".
Your view - as you stated clearly above is that in a true swinging procedure (as you correctly identified it per TGM) you see it as a clubface alignment that is under the control of the flat left wrist through impact but doesn't require manipulation - now if I quoted you correctly (with my additional words for clarification in Orange) then that wouldn't appear to me to make any sense if you used my definition of "manipulation". Your feedback is invited

My definition: "Hand Manipulation requires one to identify the lead hand condition (For example Flat, Level and Vertical)

MY problem here- only FLAT- Because level is controled by the shaft on the plane and vertical is a function of hinging (the vertical would then be to the associated plane)

and the corresponding clubface alignment intended for impact via impact fix AND then if one has some intent, focus, awareness to return to that lead hand location to control the clubface alignment at impact"

An additional note. HK puts a lot of emphasis on what the right forearm-wedges etc do. BUT - WHAT THE LEFT HAND DOES NOT DO (other than be flat) is imperative! This thread opens that discussion.

Is this thing being lost because of all the patches getting stuck on??
HB