snap release how I changed my random sweep to snap

[MizunoJoe]

Ok. Let me ask this please...the TGM definitions of snap vs random sweep release refer to reality, correct? Meaning what's actually happening? So intent is I material as far as definitions are concerned?

So MJ and Daryl are talking about the HOW to achieve these realities--snap vs random sweep?

So MJ you're saying Snap Release with max potential CH speed is only possible by keeping PP3 with R shoulder speed and R elbow bent? How about aligning the shaft with the shoulder rotation (plane where shoulder rotates) from Startdown to Downstroke, so you have only longitudinal acceleration on the shaft, hence no Release/PA2 uncocking/keep angles without tensioning the wrists? At Release just fire PP3/PA1? Wouldn't that be Snap Release without tensioning the wrists? MJ?

IMO I'd agree more with Daryl. What I said above jives with the last 2 posts of Dsryl...I think. Daryl?

Yes, TGM deals with reality, when HK is talking feelings or intentions, he says so, like when he says the swing should feel heavy, not fast or dainty.

I'm talking about using the Pivot ONLY to uncock the left wrist from a deep release position. The hand path to that deep release position depends on whether you plane shift on the downswing or not. In either case it's the hips which bring the hands down to that deep release position, but from there, there is no firing of PA#1, which would be a max trigger delay Hitting procedure if the Pivot is stalled or a Switting pattern without Pivot stall, which, in either case, for most golfers would be inferior to the cf Swing.

[whip]

Yes, TGM deals with reality, when HK is talking feelings or intentions, he says so, like when he says the swing should feel heavy, not fast or dainty.

I'm talking about using the Pivot ONLY to uncock the left wrist from a deep release position. The hand path to that deep release position depends on whether you plane shift on the downswing or not. In either case it's the hips which bring the hands down to that deep release position, but from there, there is no firing of PA#1, which would be a max trigger delay Hitting procedure if the Pivot is stalled or a Switting pattern without Pivot stall, which, in either case, for most golfers would be inferior to the cf Swing.

nice....look at my avatar, that's hogan doing what mj is describing, the hips pulling the hands down deep into release all the way through the shot!

[Daryl]

nice....look at my avatar, that's hogan doing what mj is describing, the hips pulling the hands down deep into release all the way through the shot!

Hogan forgot the Right Shoulder.

How exactly does the Pivot move the Hands without moving the shoulders?

[whip]

The change from random to snap was just more to see if I could do it but really the power difference is very minimal not enough to make much difference for me.

[svsvincenzo]

Hogan forgot the Right Shoulder.

How exactly does the Pivot move the Hands without moving the shoulders?

I agree. But do we have to think about the R shoulder while using those hips?

[HungryBear]

Hogan forgot the Right Shoulder.

How exactly does the Pivot move the Hands without moving the shoulders?

I don't follow that. In the avitar. Hogan has turned the hips and tilted. The hips are now "square, the shoulders are back ~45 deg. from the hips and the hands (power package) are ~45 deg back from the shoulders.
The hands have dropped and the shoulders have moved down and are held back (7-13) to provide best support to the hands.
Nohing has released yet but the loading is now at the point Hogan shows in 5 lessons where the "muscle Man" is present.
Where do you think Hogans shoulders should be at this point?

HB

[Daryl]

Is that picture part of a swing sequence? If so, can you post the sequence?

[HungryBear]

Is that picture part of a swing sequence? If so, can you post the sequence?

Better than that:
All from Hogans "Five Lessons"
The Hogan swing sequence Pages 106-107
With hip/shoulder analysis Pages 122-123
The little "muscle guy" on Page 94
Plus 5 chapters of his personal analysis.

HB

[svsvincenzo]

Yes, TGM deals with reality, when HK is talking feelings or intentions, he says so, like when he says the swing should feel heavy, not fast or dainty.

I'm talking about using the Pivot ONLY to uncock the left wrist from a deep release position. The hand path to that deep release position depends on whether you plane shift on the downswing or not. In either case it's the hips which bring the hands down to that deep release position, but from there, there is no firing of PA#1, which would be a max trigger delay Hitting procedure if the Pivot is stalled or a Switting pattern without Pivot stall, which, in either case, for most golfers would be inferior to the cf Swing.

Thanks MJ. Agree with the hips there.

But why is use of PA1 (whether hitting or switting) inferior to CF swing (swinging), especially the switting?

Use of PA1 IMO stabilizes the Sweetspot hence keeps it squarer longer (more like AH wrist action without intending it, I'd like describing it a HH action but looooong HH action). Plus you got to use the R arm, pec and wrist. But I'm talking switting where no pivot stall, which is what's hard at least for me.