I know how to employ sweep, i know how to employ snap. Both to the "extremes" i guess. Is random just in the middle between the too?
I am pretty much a swinger with all my clubs these days and i don't employ sweep loading that much i know.
However i'm just curious if i use random or snap? I feel i should learn to help development as both a player and a "some what" instructor these days lol.
Can someone describe the main differences between random and snap for me? In my swing, i allow the right arm to cock the left and i feel a gradual cocking the entire way up but i don't really "feel" the "full wristcock" until parallel. I then drag load into impact and it "feels" like that i wait very long to release and i just let it happen naturally.
Seems like i'm a random loader to me. When i try to "snap load" i feel it involves too much timing and i also don't like the "feel" of downcocking on the downswing.
Thanks for the help
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I know how to employ sweep, i know how to employ snap. Both to the "extremes" i guess. Is random just in the middle between the two?
Jim,
You are right: The Sweep and Snap represent Loading Action extremes (from the very beginning and at the very end). Random is anywhere between the two (even one inch after Sweep or one inch before Snap).
For practical purposes, I label my 'late Random Loading' as Snap Loading, even though technically it's still Random Loading. A true Snap Loading Action where the club gets loaded at the very last instant is very rarely performed.
For practical purposes, I label my 'late Random Loading' as Snap Loading, even though technically it's still Random Loading. A true Snap Loading Action where the club gets loaded at the very last instant is very rarely performed.
Tongzilla,
Are you sure about that??? I can feel the loading of accumulator number 2 at the end assembly point...it's a subtle feel...but it's there. I use extensor action takeaway (10-19-0 and 6-B-1-0) and Snap Loading...on the takeaway, I allow the right elbow to fold naturally a la Ernie Els (no forced extensor action, totally natural extensor action)...for short shots, I start folding the right elbow immediately at startup(sweep loading). I believe the confusion on snap loading comes from interpretation of pictures (that you need a really wide arc to perform snap loading) and not fully understanding what snap loading is...read 10-22-C carefully. Checkout Ben Doyles video "How to Build A G.O.L.F Swing" when he demonstrates snap loading....no wide arc there!!!
If you study this concept in-depth...you will find that with Right Forearm Takeaway there are two natural procedures for swingers and two for hitters.
Swingers - Full Sweep and Snap
Hitters - Full Sweep and Random
Just look to stroke patterns 12-1-0 and 12-2-0...both are using extensor action takeaways which creates snap loading for swinging and random loading for hitting. For short shots just start folding the right elbow at takeaway and you have the perfect loading procedure for short shots (sweep loading). Hmmmm yes, TGM is that easy.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-23-2005 at 01:03 AM.
Are you sure about that??? I can feel the loading of accumulator number 2 at the end assembly point...it's a subtle feel...but it's there. I use extensor action takeaway (10-19-0 and 6-B-1-0) and Snap Loading...on the takeaway, I allow the right elbow to fold naturally a la Ernie Els (no forced extensor action, totally natural extensor action)...for short shots, I start folding the right elbow immediately at startup(sweep loading). I believe the confusion on snap loading comes from interpretation of pictures (that you need a really wide arc to perform snap loading) and not fully understanding what snap loading is...read 10-22-C carefully. Checkout Ben Doyles video "How to Build A G.O.L.F Swing" when he demonstrates snap loading....no wide arc there!!!
If you study this concept in-depth...you will find that with Right Forearm Takeaway there are two natural procedures for swingers and two for hitters.
Swingers - Full Sweep and Snap
Hitters - Full Sweep and Random
Just look to stroke patterns 12-1-0 and 12-2-0...both are using extensor action takeaways which creates snap loading for swinging and random loading for hitting. For short shots just start folding the right elbow at takeaway and you have the perfect loading procedure for short shots (sweep loading). Hmmmm yes, TGM is that easy.
DG
From the two natural procedures that I just described (creating machine like precision), I don't know why any golfer using the swinging procedure would want to use random sweep loading? Snap Loading is a fairly easy condition to achieve (I believe that's why Homer put it into 12-2-0, if you use an extensor action backstroke per 10-19-0 one will achieve a snap load condition). Just let the right elbow fold naturally on the backswing and left wrist will cock and the clubshaft will snap load into place at the end assembly point. Some golfers might not like the feel of snap loading....then sweep load, start folding the right elbow at the beginning of the backswing.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 11-24-2005 at 12:42 AM.
I know how to employ sweep, i know how to employ snap. Both to the "extremes" i guess. Is random just in the middle between the too?
I am pretty much a swinger with all my clubs these days and i don't employ sweep loading that much i know.
However i'm just curious if i use random or snap? I feel i should learn to help development as both a player and a "some what" instructor these days lol.
Can someone describe the main differences between random and snap for me? In my swing, i allow the right arm to cock the left and i feel a gradual cocking the entire way up but i don't really "feel" the "full wristcock" until parallel. I then drag load into impact and it "feels" like that i wait very long to release and i just let it happen naturally.
Seems like i'm a random loader to me. When i try to "snap load" i feel it involves too much timing and i also don't like the "feel" of downcocking on the downswing.
Thanks for the help
Jim,
I have a little different perspective I think. Snap has been defined as 'the last instant' but who defines that? Where does that blurry line between snap and random sweep become clear?
Perhaps the last sentence - the delayed snap of the club into position is the real key? Maybe???
Jim,
I have a little different perspective I think. Snap has been defined as 'the last instant' but who defines that? Where does that blurry line between snap and random sweep become clear?
At both arms straight - follow through - the 'edge' of the circle your hands are making around the center of balance.
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At both arms straight - follow through - the 'edge' of the circle your hands are making around the center of balance.
Ed...
Sorry..I am not following you. Can you elaborate?
Also..seems you are talking about follow through - keep in mind he was referring to loading (I believe), but even in the release portion, I am not sure follow through is relevent...but I am open to other perspectives!
I'll wait for you to expand on it if you have time.
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